Ben Kenobi & Luke Skywalker vs Darth Revan & Darth Malak

HellfireUnit wrote:Team 2 due to Luke being the weak link.

BreakofDawn wrote:Luke as the weak link? Huh? He's a fair bit more powerful than Ben at this point and also a fair bit more skilled along with having better physicals. If anything, Ben is the weak link.

OT: If they keep it to sabers, team 1. If the Force comes into play, both of team 1 can push team 2 but Ben will go down, and Luke can't beat them both.

LOTL wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:Luke as the weak link? Huh? He's a fair bit more powerful than Ben at this point and also a fair bit more skilled along with having better physicals. If anything, Ben is the weak link.

OT: If they keep it to sabers, team 1. If the Force comes into play, both of team 1 can push team 2 but Ben will go down, and Luke can't beat them both.

Luke clearly says that he was inferior to or similar to Ben and Yoda in his ROTJ incarnation

Underachiever599 wrote:

LOTL wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:Luke as the weak link? Huh? He's a fair bit more powerful than Ben at this point and also a fair bit more skilled along with having better physicals. If anything, Ben is the weak link.

OT: If they keep it to sabers, team 1. If the Force comes into play, both of team 1 can push team 2 but Ben will go down, and Luke can't beat them both.

Luke clearly says that he was inferior to or similar to Ben and Yoda in his ROTJ incarnation

Just because Luke is humble does not mean Luke is inferior to Ben. Remember, Luke has an overly-inflated opinion of Obi-Wan, and quite frankly, Luke has no way of properly judging just how powerful Obi-Wan is, considering Luke barely knew what the Force was by the time Obi-Wan died in ANH. On the other hand, Old Ben's ghost and Yoda both seemed pretty confident that Luke could kill Darth Vader in RotJ, something we saw Old Ben was absolutely unable to do. 

Obi-Wan is factually inferior to ANH Vader. ANH Vader is factually inferior to RotJ Vader. Luke is factually equal to or greater than RotJ Vader, depending on which sources you're looking at. Ergo, Luke is way above Ben. Simply looking at the performance of these characters can tell you that much. Looking into broader context, and it becomes even more clear.

Don't take character opinions at face value when they aren't supported by any evidence, unless you also want to argue Mustafar Anakin is above Yoda, since he claimed to be "more powerful than any Jedi."

HellfireUnit wrote:Except that isn't confirmed. Maybe as an early draft but it is no different than deleted scenes. That spanish quote isn't valid.

Sam wrote:Even if the Ben Kenobi>Vader quote still has any sort of relevance, it doesn't really make any sense in the context of legends. Vader post ROTS has been hunting down the remaining Jedi, training under Palpatine, training a secret apprentice to be the perfect weapon, refining his fighting style etc. What was Kenobi doing? Watching over Luke on Tatooine, and basically doing jack shit. 
Personally I take it as Vader being cautious when he faced Ben. He didn't want to make the same mistake again like he did on Mustafar. And here's the final nail in the coffin for me. That quote primarily exists to explain why Vader didn't use any force powers on Ben Kenobi in ANH. Even though we have instances in other films e.g Anakin vs Dooku in ROTS where we don't see Anakin using the force on Dooku,or vice versa. So based on this logic, does Anakin=Dooku in force? I think not.

NotAA3 wrote:Why isn't the Spanish quote valid? Regardless of Force power Kenobi has proven he is more than able to contend with the Vader:

-He is clearly faster. Vader believes if he looks away for a single instant Kenobi will strike him down and has to give him his full undivided attention. In total contrast, Kenobi looks away at Luke mid-fight and is quick enough to respond to Vader's strike without getting killed.

Meatpants wrote:It doesn't preclude the interpretation that Vader was unable to overpower Ben in the Force via a direct attack.

Revan solos.