Which Jedi and Sith has the strongest willpower and why?

KingofBlades wrote:Didn't Marr persist for years without an anchor

His failed essence transfer attempt in Empire's End also couldn't stop him: he remained in the physical world despite the general rule for essence transfer being that your spirit is cast into the void you fail, which happened to Darth Bane and Valkorion.

darthbane77 wrote:Tenebrae is up there for mostly the same reason, he had to resist the pull of Chaos to travel from Dromund Kaas to Yavin IV

KingofBlades wrote:Didn't Marr persist for years without an anchor

SnowxElf wrote:@Azronger

His failed essence transfer attempt in Empire's End also couldn't stop him: he remained in the physical world despite the general rule for essence transfer being that your spirit is cast into the void you fail, which happened to Darth Bane and Valkorion.

Every Jedi spirit up until then kept him captive, so how did they do that to him? He still stayed in the physical world while the spirits were doing this to him? I thought he was pulled into the void but the spirits had to keep him there. I've never really understood what really happened to him.

Also, you've made a really good case for Sidious. I am surprised that nobody mentioned Plaguies here.

KingofBlades wrote:Didn't Marr persist for years without an anchor

Among dark-siders, Palpatine, unquestionably.

To preface, when a Sith dies, their spirit is banished into the void in less than a minute because they can't resist its pull. The only way they can do so is by latching themselves onto a reservoir of living Force energy, known as an anchor or a tether, in that brief interim between life and oblivion. In life, this was the midi-chlorians in their body, but in death, it can be any kind of dark side nexus from a planet to a tomb or an artifact. If this anchor is destroyed, however, the spirit in question loses their touch with the material realm and dissipates into the void. Freedon Nadd and Karness Muur have been noted to have relied upon their anchors to subsist in the physical realm, and Karness Muur is a good example of a spirit whose anchor was destroyed on-screen and we saw the dissolution process.

Palpatine is the only known Sith Lord to have resisted the pull of chaos and retained his individuality even after the initial buffer period without an anchor. When he died in Return of the Jedi, his spirit pulled itself back from the Netherworld "through sheer will," and he wandered the vacuum of space for over a year before reaching Byss while constantly resisting dissipation. When he died in Dark Empire, he was able to resist the void's pull "with little difficulty." His failed essence transfer attempt in Empire's End also couldn't stop him: he remained in the physical world despite the general rule for essence transfer being that your spirit is cast into the void you fail, which happened to Darth Bane and Valkorion.

In short, every other dark-sider besides Palpatine has simply dissipated on the spot upon the destruction of their anchor.

Azronger wrote:@darthbane77

darthbane77 wrote:Tenebrae is up there for mostly the same reason, he had to resist the pull of Chaos to travel from Dromund Kaas to Yavin IV

Citation needed.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:

KingofBlades wrote:Didn't Marr persist for years without an anchor

Yes

Azronger wrote:Citation needed.

Palpatine had created a FAIL-SAFE in Jeng Droga prior to cheating death in the Battle of Endor. This does not take away from his initial effort to cheat death and retain his essence in the maddening bodiless existence of the void, but having an acute psychic connection with Jeng would have helped him in coping with such circumstances for a lengthy duration, reach Byss, and awaken inside him.

Having a FAIL-SAFE is wise and smart while having to cope with such circumstances.

SnowxElf wrote:@S_W_Legend

Interesting post, but it would be nice to see official sources to confirm. 

Also, I quickly just looked briefly and I found that Vitiate himself reconstructed the temple and did experiments there and he rid the spirits there. So the Idea that his spirit was trapped there doesn't really add up. 

Palpatine had created a FAIL-SAFE in Jeng Droga prior to cheating death in the Battle of Endor. This does not take away from his initial effort to cheat death and retain his essence in the maddening bodiless existence of the void, but having an acute psychic connection with Jeng would have helped him in coping with such circumstances for a lengthy duration, reach Byss, and awaken inside him.

Having a FAIL-SAFE is wise and smart while having to cope with such circumstances.

Sources?

While you silenced Darth Baras, the Jedi attempted the impossible feat of destroying the Emperor. Instead, they merely defeated the Emperor's true Voice.

The unexpected blow was a shock. The Emperor's consciousness was wrenched from his Voice. He now slumbers, gathering his strength.