Palpatine (I am all the Sith) vs. Rey (I am all the Jedi)

Galan007 wrote:They made Palpatine stupidly OP, but then had him 'die' in the dumbest way possible... It's as if the guy had no control over the lightning he was producing, ffs.

Zenwolf wrote:Also to be fair, we do see that he seems to be unable to control his lighting as shown in ROTS and ROTJ...remember?

....Although...Sidious was trying to turn Anakin and then trying to kill Vader as he was picked up from behind...hmm...maybe he actually does and there were circumstances as to why he didn't stop those times..

With his fear added to his anger and hatred, the Emperor turns a yet more powerful lightning attack on Vader. Countless blue bolts seethe across the black mask, burning into both metal and flesh. But though he must be feeling even more pain than Luke did, Vader staggers on.

-Beware the Power of the Dark Side

Galan007 wrote:


In RoS, however, there is no rational explanation whatsoever. Rey was pushing Palpatine's lightning back at him...The lightning was literally killing him...Yet he somehow forgot that he could, you know, STOP PRODUCING IT. Stupid as hell.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Well that sums up ROS in general. No rational explanation whatsoever. 

"Because fuck you that's why."

Zenwolf wrote:
Wait! Wait, I got it! It's all so clear Galan, the reason is so simple.

...He grew senile over 30 years!

Also I still can't get over the fact that JJ had a great reason to bring Snoke back with the cloning stuff. I mean replace Palps with the real Snoke on that life support machine and....nothing honestly changes.

Sas wrote:No, Snoke being the final boss wouldn't have saved this shitshow of a trilogy.  Not by a mile.

At least this way, we got to enjoy seeing Quan eat his own foot.

Sas wrote:No, Snoke being the final boss wouldn't have saved this shitshow of a trilogy.  Not by a mile.

At least this way, we got to enjoy seeing Quan eat his own foot.

Sas wrote:No, Snoke being the final boss wouldn't have saved this shitshow of a trilogy.  Not by a mile.

At least this way, we got to enjoy seeing Quan eat his own foot.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Well that sums up ROS in general. No rational explanation whatsoever. 

"Because fuck you that's why."

Darth Zanos wrote:I think you guys are being too harsh on these movies. Plot holes are integral to star wars and have been part of the star wars movies ever since a new hope. Remember in empire strikes back when Luke, who has not even finished his training faced against Darth Vader who is one of the most powerful Sith lords in history and was competitive with him..

Zenwolf wrote:

Darth Zanos wrote:I think you guys are being too harsh on these movies. Plot holes are integral to star wars and have been part of the star wars movies ever since a new hope. Remember in empire strikes back when Luke, who has not even finished his training faced against Darth Vader who is one of the most powerful Sith lords in history and was competitive with him..

 No he wasn’t, Vader was messing with him.

Darth Zanos wrote:

Zenwolf wrote:

Darth Zanos wrote:I think you guys are being too harsh on these movies. Plot holes are integral to star wars and have been part of the star wars movies ever since a new hope. Remember in empire strikes back when Luke, who has not even finished his training faced against Darth Vader who is one of the most powerful Sith lords in history and was competitive with him..

 No he wasn’t, Vader was messing with him.

There is zero proof that this was the case. You're projecting your own version of the events.

Zenwolf wrote:

Darth Zanos wrote:

Zenwolf wrote:

Darth Zanos wrote:I think you guys are being too harsh on these movies. Plot holes are integral to star wars and have been part of the star wars movies ever since a new hope. Remember in empire strikes back when Luke, who has not even finished his training faced against Darth Vader who is one of the most powerful Sith lords in history and was competitive with him..

 No he wasn’t, Vader was messing with him.

There is zero proof that this was the case. You're projecting your own version of the events.

Oh really?


At the very start we see Vader casually blocking Luke's strikes while only using one hand, then shoving him to the ground with that same arm. Basically through this first sequence, Vader is only using one hand and at the end disarms him with no real effort.

Moving on after escaping the trap, the only real thing Luke does is being able to push Vader off the edge after the latter goads him into using his anger, but this is really all he gets in in that entire scene of events.

Later on, Vader is flinging objects at him, Luke gets tossed and they continue to fight. Vader isn't going for the kill here as he wants Luke to join him remember that now, they continue with Vader once and shoving Luke to the ground and he only gets at best a glancing blow, at that point Vader disarms Luke by cutting off his hand.

There wasn't really a Luke 'competing' with Vader at all here, he got in two hits to a Vader in the entire fight and Vader wanted him alive, while goading him to use his anger all the while. If Vader actually tried, Luke would have been paste on the Bespin carbon freezing chamber.

But ok let's go with this for a moment, at least Luke has had training up at this point as a Jedi, compared to Rey with TFA if we're going with their respective duels against their enemies. Rey has none, Kylo's wounds really shouldn't have been a factor if he was able to drop her at the start, then fight and wreck Finn later, yet the 2nd round with Rey he just...doesn't do that and gets bested by in Snoke's own words "A girl who's never held a lightsaber!"

Zenwolf wrote:

Darth Zanos wrote:

Zenwolf wrote:

Darth Zanos wrote:I think you guys are being too harsh on these movies. Plot holes are integral to star wars and have been part of the star wars movies ever since a new hope. Remember in empire strikes back when Luke, who has not even finished his training faced against Darth Vader who is one of the most powerful Sith lords in history and was competitive with him..

 No he wasn’t, Vader was messing with him.

There is zero proof that this was the case. You're projecting your own version of the events.

Oh really?


At the very start we see Vader casually blocking Luke's strikes while only using one hand, then shoving him to the ground with that same arm. Basically through this first sequence, Vader is only using one hand and at the end disarms him with no real effort.

Moving on after escaping the trap, the only real thing Luke does is being able to push Vader off the edge after the latter goads him into using his anger, but this is really all he gets in in that entire scene of events.

Later on, Vader is flinging objects at him, Luke gets tossed and they continue to fight. Vader isn't going for the kill here as he wants Luke to join him remember that now, they continue with Vader once and shoving Luke to the ground and he only gets at best a glancing blow, at that point Vader disarms Luke by cutting off his hand.

There wasn't really a Luke 'competing' with Vader at all here, he got in two hits to a Vader in the entire fight and Vader wanted him alive, while goading him to use his anger all the while. If Vader actually tried, Luke would have been paste on the Bespin carbon freezing chamber.

But ok let's go with this for a moment, at least Luke has had training up at this point as a Jedi, compared to Rey with TFA if we're going with their respective duels against their enemies. Rey has none, Kylo's wounds really shouldn't have been a factor if he was able to drop her at the start, then fight and wreck Finn later, yet the 2nd round with Rey he just...doesn't do that and gets bested by in Snoke's own words "A girl who's never held a lightsaber!"

Darth Nihilus wrote:Except Palp just forgot that he could... I don't know...  maybe stop producing his Force lightning that was killing him ?