Darth Vader V Exar Kun

Caelus Pall wrote:Exar Kun is directly compared to DE Sidious. He wins.

When was Kun compared to Sidious?

@Seturna Luke made the comparison in Specters of the Past.

There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him. And laughing.

That doesn’t imply Kun is anywhere close to Sidious. It’s just Luke basically saying that Kun and Sidious are two of the best opponents he’s faced. Nowhere does it make the comparison that Kun and Sidious are close to eachother.

It would be like if someone says that Revan and Malak are two of the best they’ve faced. Nowhere does it imply that they are close or that they are above the rest of the sith.

It’s two of the best. Not the two best.

@Seturna Luke regards them both as "focal points of the dark side" and they are the only two to appear to him. You can't get a more direct comparison than that. Wordplay won't change that.

That doesn’t really put Exar Kun anywhere Sidious though anyway. More like below Malak 

@Seturna Nice rebuttal.

Thank you Mr Pall!

Master Azronger wrote:

Sith Archivist wrote:Luke during the Jedi Academy trilogy said his 2 most powerful opponents were reborn Palpatine and the spirit of Exar Kun. The spirit was weakened when he fought Luke.
Kun wins.

He said two of the most powerful, not the two most powerful. Also, citation on the spirit being weaker than his physical form from TOTJ?

I don't see what the difference is there.

Kun's spirit was definitely weaker than his physical form. Just because he didn't fight a DE Luke tier opponent in TotJ it doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.
Let's go through a few reasons why:
- Kun didn't have his amulet as a spirit.
- A wall of light is generated over his temple on Yavin IV which greatly hindered him and possibly would've killed him if it wasn't barely made up by the massassi he drained.
- His ability to affect the physical realm as a spirit was greatly limited.
- In order for him to be restored to his normal state he would need the energy of Luke and his entire praxeum. Kyp was the only source of energy he had during that battle.
-His spirit was dormant for thousands of years. It's a miracle he completely forgot how to fight.
There is more evidence that Kun was weaker as a spirit than not. The idea of him being stronger as a spirit just seems to be some sort of way for ppl to downplay Kun while also not dragging down Luke and his praxeum with him.

Seturna wrote:That doesn’t imply Kun is anywhere close to Sidious. It’s just Luke basically saying that Kun and Sidious are two of the best opponents he’s faced. Nowhere does it make the comparison that Kun and Sidious are close to eachother.

It would be like if someone says that Revan and Malak are two of the best they’ve faced. Nowhere does it imply that they are close or that they are above the rest of the sith.

It’s two of the best. Not the two best.

Two points to make here. The fact Exar Kun's mere spirit is being compared at all says a lot for his living prime. Noting Kun had suffered his power being 'extinguished' by a wall of light and then spending four thousand years in a state of forced dormancy in that state where he is driven half-mad by the isolation.

But better yet, the quote is actually confirming that Kun' spirit along with reborn Sheev was two of the most powerful focal points/nexuses of the dark side of the Force. Noting that Luke Skywalker's reasoning for turning to the dark side of the Force in DE is literally that the Emperor had now become so powerful that he was a living nexus of energy.

So it's actually doing exactly that, comparing him to Sheev. Now Kun's spirit isn't as strong, for numerous reasons. But it is very clearly a comparison of power and the entire damn scene is about Luke worrying he'd become so powerful that he'd become a dark side threat on par with them. Context matters.