MW Revan vs Darth Vader

I don't see what Revan has that competes with being 80% of rotj sheev. Vader wrecks Revan

80% is unquantifiable, which you should obviously know, KoB alt.

its funny hows its unquantifiable even though its already a quantity in and of itself lol. it means that sheev is 1.25 times stronger than him. BUT i dont go by that either way. he should be an easy 2 to 3 times more power

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:its funny hows its unquantifiable even though its already a quantity in and of itself lol. it means that sheev is 1.25 times stronger than him. BUT i dont go by that either way. he should be an easy 2 to 3 times more power

This is quite possibly the most logical argument i have ever heard

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:who is stronger again? i can never understand lol i really need to look into it more kek i think its MW first, then darth revan, then redeemed jedi revan, then the one that fought malak (i think), then novel revan, then idk anymore

SoR >>> Revan Reborn > Foundry Revan.

SOR is the game version, i believe? the half dead, half alive, right? him being both light and dark wouldve honestly made him almost as strong as valk, imo. what is reborn?

The lord of hunger wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:its funny hows its unquantifiable even though its already a quantity in and of itself lol. it means that sheev is 1.25 times stronger than him. BUT i dont go by that either way. he should be an easy 2 to 3 times more power

This is quite possibly the most logical argument i have ever heard

dude, not even close lol its just common sense kek

id say vader wins he is the better then revan

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

The lord of hunger wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:its funny hows its unquantifiable even though its already a quantity in and of itself lol. it means that sheev is 1.25 times stronger than him. BUT i dont go by that either way. he should be an easy 2 to 3 times more power

This is quite possibly the most logical argument i have ever heard

dude, not even close lol its just common sense kek

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master vader wrote:id say vader wins he is the better then revan

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Source: Star Wars The Old Republic - Revan wrote:It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else [Meetra Surik] had ever met.

This means Revan would get to scale over these feats

https://youtu.be/3EtByaOxiwE?t=336

https://youtu.be/3EtByaOxiwE?t=520

Note that due to the nature of force drain that Traya would have gotten a large power boost equivalent to the collective power of the 3 jedi masters upon their deaths. These jedi masters aren't generic fodder jedi either. They have numerous accolades identifying them as the most powerful jedi of their era:

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords wrote:
“It is a great technique that you have learned. Gifted only to the highest of Jedi Masters – and the Sith – this technique makes your Force powers more difficult to resist… and they will last longer as well. But it can tire you quickly. Use it only in short combats, where expediency is necessary.”

Bastila Shan wrote:
"Even the Sith would think twice before attacking Dantooine. There are many Jedi here, including several of the most powerful Masters of the Order. There is great strength within this place."

Meetra Surik wrote:
"You know, your cage won't hold him. He's an elite Jedi Master."

So we have:

MW Revan>Post drain Dantooine Traya>Pre drain Dantooine Traya>>>The collective power of 3 above average jedi masters.

This is actually conservative when you consider Meetra's lack of knowledge regarding Revan. It's noted that during the Mandalorian Wars, Revan kept his significant Dark side power hidden from Meetra and his other followers

Star Wars Chronicles of the Old Republic wrote:This single student (Meetra Surik) has left behind the relative safety of the training grounds to fight alongside the Jedi loyal to Master Revan. But this young one, like the other Jedi brethren, is unaware of the tremendous dark side power wielded by Revan and the terrible secrets of Malachor V.

So in reality, MW Revan is far more powerful than even Meetra's estimation. This means that its very likely the Revan chain I created earlier actually looks something like:

MW Revan>>/>Post drain Dantooine Kreia>Pre drain Dantooine Kreia>>>The collective power of 3 above average jedi masters. 
The degree to which MW Revan scales above the collective power of 3 of the most powerful jedi masters of the age is laughable. I'd like to see what Vader has that is comparable to this.

2) Holistics

Revan was the greatest prodigy Vrook Lamar had ever seen:

Vrook Lamar wrote:"The Force flows through you like no student we have ever seen."

Note that Vrook Lamar was present at the Dantooine Enclave during the time of Exar Kun, meaning Revan was more gifted than even the Kun.

Revan is stated to have learned everything the jedi order could possible have taught him by the start of the Mandalorian Wars:

Kreia, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords wrote:"He came to me, yes. Both before and after, before Revan knew himself. And after, in the times when Revan was coming into his own and learning he was more than he had been told. At one time, Revan was my Padawan. In times past, long ago. But Revan, when he had learned all he could, had other masters: that fool Zhar, and other Jedi on other planets. He learned from each. But in the end, he turned back to me. When he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi - except how one could leave them forever."

Michal, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords wrote:"Revan had many Masters, Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars. Towards the end of his training, he sought out many to learn techniques. It is said that he returned to his first Master at the end of his training, in order to learn how he might best leave the Order."

So Revan was the greatest prodigy the jedi order had ever seen and possessed an absurd amount of force knowledge and overall mastery. Logically the mastery and knowledge he possesses means he should've actualized a large amount of power. I feel that this backs up what the scaling I've used implies; that MW Revan is absurdly powerful and massively underrated.

That's great but I don't see how it ties to Vader in any way. Also, Vrook's accolade applies to the current council, not the one that oversaw Kun's training. If Vrook had said "I have ever seen" instead of "we," you'd have a point.

@Azronger: Note that Vrook was apart of the Dantooine Council during Kun's training, too.

isnt that quite subjective? and wasnt the kun thing 30 or so years before revan was even born?

DarthAnt66 wrote:@Azronger: Note that Vrook was apart of the Dantooine Council during Kun's training, too.

Yeah but that's a different council. "We have ever seen" refers to the current council as a collective body. Vrook witnessing Kun's training as a member of a previous council doesn't grammatically fit the sentence.

@KingofBlades

I'm with Azronger here: I fail to see how any of this is relevant for Vader.

MW Revan stomps this odd looking Imperial Guard

@Threen Are you a Slorg sock?

Azronger wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:@Azronger: Note that Vrook was apart of the Dantooine Council during Kun's training, too.

Yeah but that's a different council. "We have ever seen" refers to the current council as a collective body. Vrook witnessing Kun's training as a member of a previous council doesn't grammatically fit the sentence.

Actually, "we" referring to the Jedi Enclave institution works better. Otherwise, Vrook is actively and deceptively excluding every student prior to the last Master joining, including by far it's most famous and prodigious member that at least one of the four have seen first-hand. He would/should have just said "Lesin had ever seen" instead. That aside, I'm not sure your take on the "we" would exclude individual experiences anyway, though I couldn't find anything on Google either way.

IG (Exists) wrote:@Threen Are you a Slorg sock?

Would I succor the good peoole of this forum by giving an answer?

What if I give an explicit yes, or no? Would this truly cast aside your doubts, or simply open a door to more suspicions about the fidelity of my answer?

What if I told you I have no clue what that means?

@IG (Exists): Threen is not a sock.

DarthAnt66 wrote:@IG (Exists): Threen is not a sock.

He uses so many slorg arguments that it's hard to tell the difference lmfao.