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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:28 pm
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-Pls provide a reason
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:28 pm
Yoda is more skilled and a lot more powerful. He has this.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:10 pm
Luke takes this because of his comparable power, but superior saber skill (annihilates DE Sidious, >>>>> Vader).
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:50 pm
luke may have a chance at the time he beat the emperor even if he was massively amped by leia 

so luke 6/10


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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:01 pm
Luke tbh. Beating DE Sidious in sabers impress me more than Yoda's performance against ROTS Sidious
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:55 pm
Luke defeated a far superior Palpatine in a duel with only a minor amp. He's got this.

Also, I'm deleting posts that don't provide a reason if the OP asks for it from now on.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:20 pm
@Azronger wrote:Luke defeated a far superior Palpatine in a duel with only a minor amp. He's got this.

Also, I'm deleting posts that don't provide a reason if the OP asks for it from now on.
I'm curious; why was it a "minor" amp?
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:21 pm
@Azronger wrote:Luke defeated a far superior Palpatine in a duel with only a minor amp. He's got this.

Also, I'm deleting posts that don't provide a reason if the OP asks for it from now on.
azronger is prepare to solo this debate xD
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on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:23 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:
@Azronger wrote:Luke defeated a far superior Palpatine in a duel with only a minor amp. He's got this.

Also, I'm deleting posts that don't provide a reason if the OP asks for it from now on.
I'm curious; why was it a "minor" amp?

Stated to be "elementary battle meditation"
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:24 pm
What about the Force Harmony?
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on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:25 pm
What about it?
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:25 pm
elementary battle meditation lets normal human female 'win' against huge, dinosaur sized beasts very casually. leia as a force user >>>> said female.
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on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:25 pm
Isn’t it said to unlock Luke’s full potential?
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on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:29 pm
Where? And I don't think it was used in the dueling portion anyway.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:47 pm
Luke with elementary BM soundly defeated an iteration of Palpatine that's bare minimum equal to his ROTS counterpart, who matched Yoda blow for blow. He has this.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:49 pm
Force harmony.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:49 pm
Luke has a quote saying he's stronger at base. If we're taking UnlockedPotential!Luke he stomps
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:51 pm
@Greysentinel365 wrote:Luke has a quote saying he's stronger at base. If we're taking UnlockedPotential!Luke he stomps

Post it.

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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:54 pm
Filled with Dark Side power, the reborn Emperor engages Luke in a ferocious lightsaber duel – and wins. Triumphant over his greatest adversary, the young Emperor vows to find Leia – and the Holocron – and crush the Rebellion once and for all!

- Dark Empire: Fate of the Galaxy
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:54 pm
Elementary =/= minor, nor weak. Vaylin for example can be described as having elementary control over her abilities, yet she still has insanely powerful TK feats like overloading generators on a planet devoid of the Force while in orbit. Same goes for things like senses, where Nick Rostu, despite having virtually no Force training and thus rudimentary senses, could accurately understand Vader's power and even compare it to Kar Vastor's. 

Not to mention Leia's influence is described as an "intensity" which shortly after was capable of unlocking Luke's full potential. 

Btw, when was it said to be "elementary"? Not doubting you, just curious.


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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:55 pm
@Greysentinel365 Greatest =/= most powerful.
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on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:58 pm
Greatest: of ability, quality, or considerably above the normal or average.


Greatest Adversary: Adversary of the most ability or quality, i.e. power.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:02 pm
"Greatest" can also refer to achievements, not ability. For example, King Alfred the Great is named as being "great" because he was seen as a just and fair ruler, not necessarily because he was the wisest, nor the strongest, nor the most capable.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:04 pm
Google wrote:the standard of something as measured against other things of a similar kind; the degree of excellence of something.

^The definition of quality.

Google wrote:one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute.

^The definition of adversary.

All the quote is saying is that Luke is Palpatine's most excellent opponent, which makes sense given he caused the most damage to Sheev's plans. It doesn't have to be referring to power.
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Yoda vs DE Luke Empty Re: Yoda vs DE Luke

on Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:09 pm
Plus, consider the context of the quote. Luke is the last remaining Jedi. It was Luke who caused Vader to turn back to the light side and overthrow Sidious. It was Luke who was primarily behind the Death Star's destruction (both of them). It was Luke who now stands in opposition to him, in a scenario that Sidious could not and did not predict. 

Luke is Sidious' "greatest" adversary because he's been behind the ruination of more of his plans than any being in history (which includes Yoda, who didn't foil any of Sheev's plans), not because he's the most powerful or skilled. Even Sheev doesn't consider Luke to be Yoda level based on his words throughout DE.
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