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- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 9:48 pm
KingofBlades wrote:Outlander stomps
Care to prove that besides your meme Yavin!IV HoT > Yoda argument?
- KingofBladesLevel Three
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 9:49 pm
I've never seriously claimed the Hero was above Yoda lol. Regardless that isn't necessary for Outlander to stomp. Outlander is far above Arcann who is far above Revan Reborn who is above Malak who is far more powerful than Kun
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 9:53 pm
What he does to the Outlander is basically exactly what he does to his Children/Voices.
There's no evidence the Children lost their power, nor that the Voice would. That power is intrinsically linked with them, just as it is with the Outlander, who wasn't given power, just had his actual connection strengthened or more attuned. Scourge's situation is clearly different.
- Master AzrongerModerator
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 10:18 pm
Merged the threads
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- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 10:22 pm
KingofBlades wrote:Malak who is far more powerful than Kun
are we still using this in 2020?
- EmperorCaedusLevel Three
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 10:38 pm
Again, my stipulations dictate that Outlander is prime, or as of Onslaught. The thread you've merged this to dictates the Outlander as of KoTET, which is pre-prime.Azronger wrote:Merged the threads
- Master AzrongerModerator
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 10:46 pm
That's an infinitesimal difference and doesn't warrant the creation of a thread that adds practically no novel discussion value.
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- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 10:47 pm
KingofBlades wrote:I've never seriously claimed the Hero was above Yoda lol. Regardless that isn't necessary for Outlander to stomp. Outlander is far above Arcann who is far above Revan Reborn who is above Malak who is far more powerful than Kun
So your literal sole basis is a dead quote that is demonstratably not true and is contradicted by numerous sources? Yeah, Kun stomps.
- The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 10:50 pm
Outlander stomps this nigga
Where,how and why is the kun wank strong again?
Where,how and why is the kun wank strong again?
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 18th 2020, 11:57 pm
I've yet to see evidence for Kun winning, let alone stomping. The Outlander is a better duelist, most likely more powerful and has a hell of a lot of experience fighting esoteric foes, from the Dread Masters, Revan and Vitiate/Valkorion to the Six, Lord Fulminiss, Vaylin, Arcann and Sel-Makor. While he's struggling each and every time, he should take it.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 1:49 am
The Outlander isn't a better pure duelist than Darth Vader, who Exar Kun scales from in skill. Nor is he a better duelist than Ulic Qel-Droma who is massively beyond a warrior with the combined applicable combative experience and knowledge of Freedon Nadd and King Adas.
The Outlander being more powerful than Kun is fairly hilarious to be honest.
Let's take Lord Kallig, who through the spirit of Darth Andru is a demonstratable superior for early Act II Darth Nox:
This being in a state where Kallig's spirit has now been constantly drained of its power for a thousand years by Tenebrae:
Lord Kallig in his prime would be vastly more powerful by an excessive degree than his spirit was there as he himself states that he now needs to 'conserve his energy' as even appearing 'takes much' out of him.
So: Lord Kallig >>> Spirit of Lord Kallig ~ BoActII!Nox.
Lord Kallig in his prime was an inferior of the reigning Dark Lord Tulak Hord:
Prior to Tulak Hord 'devouring' the spirits of 1,000 Jedi:
Via what is stated to be a far more complete and powerful ritual than Force-walking which is binding spirits, as Darth Nox does after Act I. Noting how vast the difference in power between Nox pre-ghosts and Nox with all of them was:
Therefore Tulak Hord >>>> Lord Kallig >>> Kallig's spirit ~ BoActII!Darth Nox.
Tulak Hord, naturally, was less powerful than Marka Ragnos who himself is less powerful than Exar Kun.
Exar Kun > Marka Ragnos > Tulak Hord >>>> Lord Kallig >>> Spirit Kallig ~ BoAct II Nox.
Lord Kallig himself, I'd wager, should definitely be up near SoR Nox given the enormous disparity between his living and spiritual states. With prime Tulak Hord being in another stratosphere compared to Lord Kallig. Yeah, you can do the scaling yourself at this point.
Outlander being exposed to the esoteric is neither here nor there given how he's got no knowledge or counter for anything Exar Kun could use.
The Outlander being more powerful than Kun is fairly hilarious to be honest.
Let's take Lord Kallig, who through the spirit of Darth Andru is a demonstratable superior for early Act II Darth Nox:
This being in a state where Kallig's spirit has now been constantly drained of its power for a thousand years by Tenebrae:
SWTOR: Encyclopedia wrote:Burial place, prison, and reliquary, the Dark Temple was built on the orders of the Emperor to seal away powerful artifacts and the Emperor's enemies, both alive and dead. The temple became a nexus of dark side energy as the Emperor performed rituals within, drawing strength and knowledge from his captives.
Lord Kallig in his prime would be vastly more powerful by an excessive degree than his spirit was there as he himself states that he now needs to 'conserve his energy' as even appearing 'takes much' out of him.
So: Lord Kallig >>> Spirit of Lord Kallig ~ BoActII!Nox.
Lord Kallig in his prime was an inferior of the reigning Dark Lord Tulak Hord:
Kallig Codex Entry wrote:Little is remembered of the Sith Lord Kallig. Like many ancient Sith, his name is all but forgotten, as more powerful--or at least more visible--Sith Lords have taken their place in the historical record. The only known mention of Kallig is in the writings of the famous Dark Lord Tulak Hord, who said "Easily the most ambitious, and therefore the most dangerous of my rivals is Kallig. Therefore, he shall be the first to die."
Prior to Tulak Hord 'devouring' the spirits of 1,000 Jedi:
The Ritual of Tulak Hord Codex Entry wrote:In his time as Dark Lord of the Sith, Tulak Hord was known as a master of the mystical dark arts of the Force, using his powers to plumb the depths of life and death. In the battles of Yn and Chabosh, Tulak Hord is believed to have used a ritual to draw the strength of his enemies to himself, growing his power and vitality.
SWTOR: Encyclopedia wrote:One of Khem Val's proudest victories came during the Battle of Chabosh, where he fought by Tulak Hord's side to conqueror an army of Jedi 1,000 strong.
Force-Walking Codex Entry wrote:Three hundred years after Tulak Hord, the Sith Ergast tried to recreate the ritual the Dark Lord used to devour the spirits of his enemies at Yn and Chabosh.
Via what is stated to be a far more complete and powerful ritual than Force-walking which is binding spirits, as Darth Nox does after Act I. Noting how vast the difference in power between Nox pre-ghosts and Nox with all of them was:
Force-Walking Codex Entry wrote:Three hundred years after Tulak Hord, the Sith Ergast tried to recreate the ritual the Dark Lord used to devour the spirits of his enemies at Yn and Chabosh. In its place, he discovered what he called the ritual of Force-walking. Requiring a Sith of great strength of will, the ritual of Force-walking allows the user to bind the restless ghosts of dead Sith to himself. Once the ghosts are bound, the ritualist may draw from their power, channeling it into a powerful exertion of Force energy against his enemies.
Therefore Tulak Hord >>>> Lord Kallig >>> Kallig's spirit ~ BoActII!Darth Nox.
Tulak Hord, naturally, was less powerful than Marka Ragnos who himself is less powerful than Exar Kun.
Exar Kun > Marka Ragnos > Tulak Hord >>>> Lord Kallig >>> Spirit Kallig ~ BoAct II Nox.
Lord Kallig himself, I'd wager, should definitely be up near SoR Nox given the enormous disparity between his living and spiritual states. With prime Tulak Hord being in another stratosphere compared to Lord Kallig. Yeah, you can do the scaling yourself at this point.
Outlander being exposed to the esoteric is neither here nor there given how he's got no knowledge or counter for anything Exar Kun could use.
- The God Emperor
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 7:17 am
YesKelDorianUnit wrote:KingofBlades wrote:Malak who is far more powerful than Kun
are we still using this in 2020?
- Geistalt
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 10:08 am
The God Emperor wrote:The Outlander godstomps
- The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 10:29 am
kun is locked below malak
why still debating this? even kotor revan godstomps kun
why still debating this? even kotor revan godstomps kun
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 10:32 am
The Outlander isn't a better pure duelist than Darth Vader,
Prove it.
who Exar Kun scales from in skill.
Based on?
Nor is he a better duelist than Ulic Qel-Droma who is massively beyond a warrior with the combined applicable combative experience and knowledge of Freedon Nadd and King Adas.
Neither of whom you've proved are anywhere near the Outlander.
As for your Kallig scaling, you do realise that Onslaught Outlander is >>>> SoR Nox, right? He also benefits from this scaling.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 10:38 am
The lord of hunger wrote:kun is locked below malak
why still debating this? even kotor revan godstomps kun
Literally everything besides that abandoned quote says Kun completes the severing of his jaw with mid diff at best.
- The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 10:39 am
abandoned quote...???LadyKulvax wrote:The lord of hunger wrote:kun is locked below malak
why still debating this? even kotor revan godstomps kun
Literally everything besides that abandoned quote says Kun completes the severing of his jaw with mid diff at best.
- AncientPowerSuspect Hero | Level Four
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 10:55 am
BoD wrote:[size=33]The Outlander isn't a better pure duelist than Darth Vader,
Prove it.[/size]
[size=33]who Exar Kun scales from in skill.
Based on?[/size]
Nor is he a better duelist than Ulic Qel-Droma who is massively beyond a warrior with the combined applicable combative experience and knowledge of Freedon Nadd and King Adas.
Neither of whom you've proved are anywhere near the Outlander.
As for your Kallig scaling, you do realise that Onslaught Outlander is >>>> SoR Nox, right? He also benefits from this scaling.
1.Darth Vader has more lightsaber accolades than the whole of SWTOR combined.
2.Based on the fact Kun's combative teachings made Kyp think that out-performing Kam Solusar in everything was 'feeble' and this is the Kam that stomped Vill Goir who was amongst the foremost Dark Side Elite who scale well beyond Imperial Protectors and then even moreso the Royal Guard who are already 'almost' a match for Darth Vader in combative prowess.
3.Given Freedon Nadd has more Jedi kills than any Sith ever up to KotOR and King Adas spends three centuries slaughtering his way to maintaining being the Sith'Ari then I'd wager being a magnitude above them in skill is higher than the Outlander who's basis for any impressiveness at all is scaling over the Arcann who earlier kicked his ass, who is impressive because he beats post-SoR HoT who's best feat is besting Malgus in lightsaber combat who's best feat is defeating Ven Zallow who scales over Kao Cen Darach.
So when you strip it to its core, Outlander > Arcann > HoT > Malgus > Ven > Kao. Kao's got basically nothing more than generic battlemaster wank. Whereas Freedon Nadd has starting out beating Metta Tremayne, a foremost lightsaber expert before a century of murdering more Jedi than anyone up to KotOR II. Combine that with the combative prowess of Adas then you get Warb Null who Jedi Ulic hindered by a DS nexus stomps.
4.Onslaught Outlander scaling over SoR Nox is irrelevant when that is where Lord Kallig basically scales up to. Who is dwarfed by a magnitude via Tulak Hord who is well beneath Exar.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 11:10 am
1.Darth Vader has more lightsaber accolades than the whole of SWTOR combined.
And he lacks the feats to back those up whereas the HoT alone has lightsaber feats putting him > Vader.
2.Based on the fact Kun's combative teachings made Kyp think that out-performing Kam Solusar in everything was 'feeble' and this is the Kam that stomped Vill Goir who was amongst the foremost Dark Side Elite who scale well beyond Imperial Protectors and then even moreso the Royal Guard who are already 'almost' a match for Darth Vader in combative prowess.
Again, Vader isn't > the Outlander so this is utterly irrelevant. Also, please actually substantiate that Royal Guard claim, because their feats as opposed to that accolade are lackluster. Need I remind you there's also a quote putting Vader as "equally formidable" to Sidious, if we're using a single quote to support our arguments?
3.Given Freedon Nadd has more Jedi kills than any Sith ever up to KotOR and King Adas spends three centuries slaughtering his way to maintaining being the Sith'Ari
And the HoT alone slaughtered his way through an entire heavily armed temple on an incredibly potent dark side nexus through forces that included Imperial Honour Guards, who are stated to be able to go toe to toe with Jedi or Sith and that even the Dark Council fear them.
then I'd wager being a magnitude above them in skill is higher than the Outlander who's basis for any impressiveness at all is scaling over the Arcann who earlier kicked his ass,
Arcann never "kicked his ass" in sabers, lol.
who is impressive because he beats post-SoR HoT who's best feat is besting Malgus in lightsaber combat who's best feat is defeating Ven Zallow who scales over Kao Cen Darach.
No, his best feat is simultaneously fighting the HoT, the Barsen'Thor, the Voidhound, and Havoc Squad Commander/EW, DN, Cipher Nine and the Grand Champion plus their companions - which can include a 300+ year-old Sith who's killed at least 10,000 Sith and over 100 Jedi in personal combat - and matching them for a considerable amount of time.
Kao's got basically nothing more than generic battlemaster wank.
Why are you using Kao to lowball Malgus when Malgus was a mere apprentice when he killed one of the most elite swordmasters in the Jedi Order? He wasn't even close to being as skilled or powerful as he was in FE.
Whereas Freedon Nadd has starting out beating Metta Tremayne, a foremost lightsaber expert before a century of murdering more Jedi than anyone up to KotOR II.
Act 2 HoT was matching Scourge in sabers, whose feats speak for themselves.
4.Onslaught Outlander scaling over SoR Nox is irrelevant when that is where Lord Kallig basically scales up to. Who is dwarfed by a magnitude via Tulak Hord who is well beneath Exar.
Double standards, much? Your logic is Exar Kun >>> Tulak Hord >>> Lord Kallig (who you claim is somehow SoR Nox level). Meanwhile, Onslaught Outlander > unchained Vaylin ~ EoKOTET Outlander > ch. 8 Outlander >>> chained Vaylin ~ KOTET Arcann >> KOTFE Arcann >>> SoR Nox. And yet the Outlander scaling ridiculously far above Lord Kallig is "irrelevant".
The Outlander has Kun beat in skill and most likely power as well. Even convoluted scaling chains aren't changing that.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 11:15 am
One more thing. That "almost a match" quote?
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So Vader is >>> Force wielding Royal Guards, and they're even said to be no threat. Not exactly substantiating that sketchy quote.
Employed almost exclusively by the Emperor's Shadow Guard, an elite cadre of Force Wielding Royal Guards, the lightsaber pike resembles a primitive polearm in many respects. The long handle of the weapon is made out of phrik alloy.
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In that particular instance, Bane and Sidious were foiled, but Sidious' basic aims remained. He sought to create a network of Force-wielding agents loyal only to him. None would be trained sufficiently to be a threat to Darth Bane's insistence that there only be two Sith, nor would they be a threat to Darth Sidious or his apprentice, Darth Vader. The most powerful of these agents were "only" Sith adepts but would appear almost as dark Jedi - the likes of Asajj Ventress, Mara Jade, or Inquisitor Valin Draco (in fact, a fallen Jedi). The lesser agents were reduced to still-deadly faceless minions. Among their ranks were the Shadow Guard.
So Vader is >>> Force wielding Royal Guards, and they're even said to be no threat. Not exactly substantiating that sketchy quote.
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 12:05 pm
That only says they weren't intended to be trained well enough to become a threat. Not that they never became one period. Which based off the "almost a match" quote they did.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 19th 2020, 12:58 pm
The quote that says about them being "almost a match" was in the context of their training.
- NevesYtneves (DC77)Level Seven
Re: KotET Outlander vs Exar Kun
March 20th 2020, 9:45 pm
Not relevant. There's a distinction between the results of the training and the intention of it. Try again.
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