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Starkiller runs the Force gauntlet

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The Ellimist
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September 16th 2019, 3:35 am
Force attacks only, lightsabers can be used to defend against lightning and projectiles. Battles take place in the Senate Rotunda with combatants starting on different raised senate pods. Full knowledge and recovery.

1. Aayla Secura
2. Agen Kolar
3. Kit Fisto
4. Exar Kun
5. SF Malak
6. Count Dooku
7. SoR Revan
8. Darth Plagueis
9. Yoda
10. RotS Sidious
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September 16th 2019, 7:22 am
Hard stop at 4.
HellfireUnit
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September 16th 2019, 7:26 am
Stops at 4 imo, though I have to say Marek is more powerful than Kun. Kun's arsenal and experience should give him the edge though.
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September 16th 2019, 8:39 am
I'd disagree with Starkiller being that much above Kun in raw power, given that via scaling: TOTJ Kun > JA Kun > Kueller > BFC Luke >> Crushing Vader's fortress and rebuilding it within seconds.

Kun's versatility, experience, etc will play major factors, but Kun should be able to compete rather effectively in terms of raw power.
MasterCilghal
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September 16th 2019, 8:47 am
The problem is that Kueller isn’t above Luke. It’s stated in the lore that would have been no match had it not been for the circumstances at play: 

Skywalker and Organa Solo were left to face Kueller. He should not have been a match for either of them, but powered by his rage and with Skywalker still wounded, Kueller got the better of them.
-- Dark side Sourcebook
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September 16th 2019, 8:48 am
Fair enough, but either way, Kun should be above BFC Luke at this point.
MasterCilghal
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September 16th 2019, 8:54 am
Not necessarily. Kun did not overwhelm Luke because was more powerful but rather because of specific circumstances, such as Luke’s lack of knowledge of his force techniques, Luke’s mental state and so on. In fact:

To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man that visited Yavin Four years earlier, more powerful in the force. Too powerful for the moment for Kun to handle.
Jedi Academy Sourcebook
I mean it is nonetheless impressive for Kun but I don’t think he is more powerful than Luke.
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September 16th 2019, 8:56 am
Alright then.
MasterCilghal
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September 16th 2019, 8:58 am
If you think I missed something that indicates Kun>Luke (i’m not too knowledgeable on that fight) feel free to bring it up.
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September 16th 2019, 9:09 am
Specters of the Past wrote:There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him. And laughing.

New Rebellion wrote:She [Leia] wished she had the same certainty. This Kueller had more Force capability than anyone she had encountered in years. Except Exar Kun, and he had been a spirit. Kueller was alive.

He was using these deaths to replenish his own well of hatred. The dark side ate people from within, but while it did so, it gave them too much power.

He appeared to have more power than she had. More power than Luke.


New Rebellion wrote:The presence had neared. It was strong in the dark side. He could feel the ripples, feel a power he hadn't felt in a living being since he encountered the Emperor. Luke had never had a student that powerful, of that he was certain.


New Rebellion wrote:She raised her head. She was stunning, he had to give her that, with her bright green eyes, and red, almost auburn, hair. A woman to respect. A woman that no one ever should tamper with. "I haven't felt power like this since Palpatine in the early days. If this continues, Han, Kueller will be stronger than the Emperor ever was, and he'll do it quicker."

"So you're not here for Luke after all." She swallowed. "It may be too late for Luke. I'm here for the rest of us."
Just some stuff about it.
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September 16th 2019, 9:40 am
The only one that states Kueller>Luke is the 2nd one, and it’s from Leia’s point of view. As such i’m unconvinced it overrides a supplementary source, which has more unbiased point of view on the matter. This is especially true when you consider the fight, in which Luke, despite his tremendous injuries and Kueller’s rage empowering him, was still able to hold his own. As for both Kun and Kueller, won’t deny that both were threats in their own right, but it didn’t have to do only with their power.
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September 16th 2019, 11:06 am
As if we needed more proof that the NJO era is a convoluted, contradictory mess.

OT: 4 or 5.
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September 16th 2019, 11:11 am
stops at 4 in a great and brutal fight .
might possibly even take 1 or 2 rounds out of 10 here .
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September 16th 2019, 11:22 am
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September 16th 2019, 11:26 am
Stops at 4. SK is overrated as hell.
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September 16th 2019, 11:28 am
BreakofDawn wrote:As if we needed more proof that the NJO era is a convoluted, contradictory mess.

OT: 4 or 5.
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September 16th 2019, 11:30 am
Let the record show: no denial.
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September 16th 2019, 11:35 am
SK isn't overrated. Barely noone likes the character. It is normal for you to say that since you rank Vader sub Qui-Gon.
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September 16th 2019, 11:36 am
BreakofDawn wrote:Let the record show: no denial.
First, What we were referencing is the NR era. And honestly I wouldn’t call it a mess. Calling it that way is the typical excuse of someone who doesn’t want to get into it.
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September 16th 2019, 12:10 pm
MasterCilghal wrote:
BreakofDawn wrote:Let the record show: no denial.
First, What we were referencing is the NR era. And honestly I wouldn’t call it a mess. Calling it that way is the typical excuse of someone who doesn’t want to get into it.
I was largely joking, but yes it is pretty messy. If you can't stay consistent and clarify something clearly, that's a convoluted narrative. Contradictory writing that results in huge confusion is poor storytelling.
The Adventurous Jedi
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September 16th 2019, 12:20 pm
Dies at 7. Can beat 8 though.
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September 16th 2019, 12:33 pm
NotAA3 wrote:Dies at 7. Can beat 8 though.
Reasons for Starkiller potentially beating Plagueis?
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September 16th 2019, 12:36 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:
MasterCilghal wrote:
BreakofDawn wrote:Let the record show: no denial.
First, What we were referencing is the NR era. And honestly I wouldn’t call it a mess. Calling it that way is the typical excuse of someone who doesn’t want to get into it.
I was largely joking, but yes it is pretty messy. If you can't stay consistent and clarify something clearly, that's a convoluted narrative. Contradictory writing that results in huge confusion is poor storytelling.
That happens with every single era. The lack of consistency is not within the books themselves but between the primary material and supplementary sources.
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September 16th 2019, 12:37 pm
SithSauce wrote:
NotAA3 wrote:Dies at 7. Can beat 8 though.
Reasons for Starkiller potentially beating Plagueis?
SK wank is going too far .
he dies at 4 , 6 and 7 , doesn´t even make it to 8 let alone beating it .
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September 16th 2019, 12:43 pm
SithSauce wrote:
NotAA3 wrote:Dies at 7. Can beat 8 though.
Reasons for Starkiller potentially beating Plagueis?

Greater raw power and environmental feats. Also, being above Vader to a degree that I don't think Plagueis is.
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