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on August 22nd 2019, 8:36 am
As the title says. 

Nadd was stated to be the "greatest Sith sorcerer" to have existed up to his time in the Tales of the Jedi Companion guide. But what of those who came after his time that also practiced Sith sorcery?
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on August 22nd 2019, 9:17 am
1. DE Sheev

2. Valkorion/Vitiate

3. Darth Zannah

4. Exar Kun

5. Nox / Dread / Wyyrlok / Nadd?

Am I missing anyone?
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on August 22nd 2019, 9:32 am
For the purposes of this thread, what exactly qualifies as sorcery?

Anyway, I'd list at least Sheev for his ritual in Sithisis, Zannah for advancing far beyond Bane's expectations despite both of them having exhausted Nadd's holocron, and Vitiate for the Nathema and galaxy-eating rituals.


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on August 22nd 2019, 9:34 am
Maybe the Ambria sorceress too as an honourable mention.
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on August 22nd 2019, 10:00 am
ILS wrote:1. DE Sheev

2. Valkorion/Vitiate

3. Darth Zannah

4. Exar Kun

5. Nox / Dread / Wyyrlok / Nadd?

Am I missing anyone?
I agree with this list.
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on August 22nd 2019, 10:08 am
ILS wrote:4. Exar Kun

I find this suspect.

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Exar Kun at the height of his power and mastery states that while he technically can utilize many esoteric incantations and rituals, he doesn't actually understand any of it on a deeper level. It's the equivalent of a student verbatim memorizing the surface-level contents of a book for an exam without actually assimilating that knowledge or processing its real meaning. Not much different from Darth Bane.

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Furthermore, Kun needs his amulets to use Sith magic at all. Again, even Bane could wield rudimentary sorcery like illusions and Force blasts without a trinkets, and if you gave him Kun's toys, he'd probably be even more successful.

So in the end it comes down to what qualifies for a position on this list: having memorized a laundry list of spells and being able to use them, even if only with the aid of special paraphernalia, or actually comprehending the stuff on a profound level. In the case of the former, Bane and probably a whole lot of others would qualify better than Kun, and if it's the latter, then Kun obviously doesn't have any business on this list.

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on August 22nd 2019, 10:22 am
What issue is that from?
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on August 22nd 2019, 10:26 am
Darth Revan could be a candidate. Bane could barely comprehend the contents of Revan's holocron.
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on August 22nd 2019, 11:19 am
ILS wrote:What issue is that from?

The Sith War # 6 and Galaxy Magazine # 8 respectively. As I said, Kun at the height of his power and mastery.
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on August 22nd 2019, 11:22 am
I'd say Aleema Keto should be on this list.
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on August 22nd 2019, 1:04 pm
Sidious, Vitiate, Nox, Nadd, Dread, Revan, Zannah, Malak, Ragnos, Kressh. I'd say those are your candidates.
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on August 23rd 2019, 3:23 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:Darth Revan could be a candidate. Bane could barely comprehend the contents of Revan's holocron.

Top 5 Sith Sorcerers 1289255181 There's definitely something to be said for creating a ritual that, when actualized to its fullest, can grant someone omniscience (i.e. Jerec).
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on August 23rd 2019, 10:16 pm
Azronger wrote:
ILS wrote:4. Exar Kun

I find this suspect.

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Exar Kun at the height of his power and mastery states that while he technically can utilize many esoteric incantations and rituals, he doesn't actually understand any of it on a deeper level. It's the equivalent of a student verbatim memorizing the surface-level contents of a book for an exam without actually assimilating that knowledge or processing its real meaning. Not much different from Darth Bane.

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Furthermore, Kun needs his amulets to use Sith magic at all. Again, even Bane could wield rudimentary sorcery like illusions and Force blasts without a trinkets, and if you gave him Kun's toys, he'd probably be even more successful.

So in the end it comes down to what qualifies for a position on this list: having memorized a laundry list of spells and being able to use them, even if only with the aid of special paraphernalia, or actually comprehending the stuff on a profound level. In the case of the former, Bane and probably a whole lot of others would qualify better than Kun, and if it's the latter, then Kun obviously doesn't have any business on this list.

Please don't spread such heinous misinformation. The knowledge he refers to on the following panel is what he had just stolen from the Chamber of Antiquities on Ossus:

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Now whilst Kun did get far more powerful from said collection of knowledge, he couldn't possibly study what amounted to:


Star Wars Omnibus: Tales of the Jedi Volume 2 wrote:Looking at all the precious artifacts his Massassi have stolen, Exar Kun knows he has more wealth and knowledge than he could ever use.

But you've actually accidentally supported the greatest Sith in history. Exar Kun didn't fully understand the ritual he used and yet he was completely successful anyway, such is his affinity and mastery of the sorcery arts.

As supported here:


The Dark Side Sourcebook wrote:The most powerful Sith Lords possess a talent for the dark alchemy of the Sith. The Emperor, like Naga Sadow and Exar Kun long before him, became a master of manipulating the genetic building blocks of living creatures through the dark side. Over the millennia, many creatures have been broken, twisted, and rebuilt by this evil power.


I'm not even going to start on you taking a description of what we already know the amulets did; channel and focus energy into various forms of Force attacks such as blasts, lightning or waves of hatred. Though I must admit, it's funny how Darth Sidious is 'restless' knowing other amulets are out there for him to use:


Darth Sidious, Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side wrote:Minor amulets can create protective shields, knit injured flesh, sharpen battle focus, or energize weakened muscles. However, great amulets are priceless and often unique. Users must first overcome the amulet's seductive song. For if they can't, they will be forever lost to dark side insanity. I have acquired many of these prizes for myself, but I remain restless knowing that many more lie locked in the tombs of Korriban.
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on August 27th 2019, 2:41 pm
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on August 27th 2019, 4:09 pm
Didn’t Revan create the thought bomb ritual?
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on August 27th 2019, 4:14 pm
IdrisianGraecus wrote:Didn’t Revan create the thought bomb ritual?

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on August 28th 2019, 6:52 am
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Some Banites prob
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on August 28th 2019, 6:55 am
Palpatine and Valkorion are some order of 1 and 2, and nobody else really comes close.

Then by scaling you probably have some of the Banite Line taking up the next of the top 5, given that even Zannah has some pretty potent showings. Other than the Banites, Exar Kun and Darth Revan probably have the most impressive sorcery feats.
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