Re: Darth Zannah vs Darth Nox

June 10th 2019, 1:53 pm

Nox, solid fight.

June 10th 2019, 3:04 pm

DC77 wrote:Nox, solid fight.

Why?

June 10th 2019, 3:18 pm

Superior feats and scaling.

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June 10th 2019, 3:37 pm

You have the shit AP listed with him scaling above Act 2 Basen'thor (I'm pretty sure AP's comments are accurate from what I remember of Blood of the Empire) which places him above Lord Vivicar who's feats I'm sure you're aware of. Then we have him being labeled a worthy successor to Tulak Hord by Khem Val (who can't be referring to anything other than combat efficiency given he's a bloodthirsty beast who thinks about basically nothing but devouring people) and Tulak can pull a 300m ship out of the sky and defeat armies of Jedi.

June 18th 2019, 8:26 am

Nox resisted the combined efforts of the Dread Masters telepathic fear powers. Just note that each Dread Masters individually have been known to cause Republic Troopers to commit suicide and turn even the greatest of Sith insane. A pre-prime Darth Nox on Belsavis who concurrently was suffering from Force Walking sickness as the Force Ghosts taunted Nox destroyed her body and taunted and exhausted her mind resisted the Dread Masters (Note Force Walking sickness is known to turn one insane if they had not found a cure for the ghost being able to breach into your subconscious and basically irritate and annoy you and you have no defense against it other than patience and just a strong mind unless you go to Voss). Assuming this is the Nox with all Dark-Side choices done, you basically have Lord Ergast, Horak Mul, Darth Andru, Kalotosh Zavros and Mar-Da. Aside from the 4 Sith Lord's force ability and Sith Alchemy (Darth Andru 1 shotted a pre-prime Nox and his companion using a Sith ritual and would presumably have killed her without her knowing the knowledge of the Force Walk and without Aloysius's intervention), Nox bounded Mara-Da a Voss mystic spirit. This can actually prove more significant in the final battle against Zannah than it seems because the Voss are known for physical and more importantly in this context, MIND HEALING rituals (Mar-Da was known to have found a secret mind healing ritual). Which gives Nox the ability if she wants to siphon off Mar-Da's knowledge on healing rituals and applications and use it to defend against Zannah if her already telepathic skills are not good enough. Zannah without her blade has shown from what I recall, ZERO applications of Force Lightning or Tutaminus of any sorts which means that she will be severly handicapped once Nox unleashes Sith Lightning (Which has already been known to injure Thanaton involuntarily, destroy Sith rocks and architecture, absolutely cripple and shred Thanaton voluntarily, kill: Jedi, Sith, Sith spawn, injure Khem Val )

June 18th 2019, 8:42 am

As much as I love the TOR wank, Nox only resisted the Dread Masters in a heavily-weakened state.

June 18th 2019, 8:52 am

Yet at a weakened state and drugged the Dread Masters passively killed prisoners in a 300 meter radius due to their presence, made Republic officers commit suicide by simply talking to them, turned Imperial forces insane (Note it was not them who did it by an Eshka who siphoned their powers) and note as I said previously Nox was dealing with her own telepathic problems with the Force Ghosts driving slowly driving her insane due to the Force Walking illness yet she was able to resist them. Also while Nox was unable to fully resist their attacks in the future it is good to note that the Dread Masters were in obsession of Sith artifacts and devices+the Phobis Device once again on Oricon and Nox didn't turn insane or die from insanity compared to the Sith and Jedi forces on Oricon at the time. Nox own way to inspire fear actually gained her the respect of the Dread Masters to the point that after Styrak's death she was offered to replace him (this is a stretch but in game mechanics Nox already has Force Fear from the discipline category "Madness" so this could suggest she knows powerful telepathic abilities.)

June 18th 2019, 8:57 am

I'm fully aware of all of this. Though it should be noted that the Jedi and Sith were both waging a telepathic war against the Dread Masters as the coalition attacked on the ground. Also, the phobis devices are a moot point. They and the device are one in the same.

June 19th 2019, 9:47 am

Fair enough, but with all the points listed I believe that this would give Nox enough showing to handle a sorceror like Zannah given did the Dread Masters were overall much skilled in sorcery compared to Zannah and you can argue even Thanaton have better feats in some areas of Sith sorcery compared to Zannah. Nox would overall dominate in the Force department, her own mental defenses would likely difficult and hard for Zannah to break and Nox would be hammering her hard with her own sorcery alongside the 4 other ghosts in her disposal. In the blade you can argue Zannah Form 3 may prove to be impossible for a Sith who spend their lives dedicated to sorcery instead of the blade like Nox to break, but I believe the battle would immediately turn into a battle of skill in the Force rather than the blade, which is why I believe Nox would definitely take down Zannah.

June 19th 2019, 11:33 am

Nox based off scaling from Thanaton, Malgus and the like.

June 19th 2019, 11:35 am

Nox, I don't see Zannah's illusions, her only real strength, being even close to enough to win against Nox.

August 11th 2019, 9:07 am

Darth Nox vs Darth Zannah

I will here explain why the heir of Kallig will be able to defeat the first sucessor of Bane. In order to do this, I will divided my post in 2 parts:

Scalling for Nox
Case against Zannah

SCALLING DARTH NOX (1)

- LORD KALLIG SCALLING -

All of the guys who have played the inquisitor in swtor know this guy who is the ancestor of darth Nox. As you know Kallig have been defeat by Tulak Hord himself who burried him on the place that will become the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas. Lets have a brief view on his power.

/Dark Temple\

Spoiler:

So when an team of sith go in the Dark temple they open it and awake Lord Kallig. His awaken was really impressive and was the cause of huge disturbance in the area of the Dark Temple:

codex entry Kallig wrote:Little is remembered of the Sith Lord Kallig. Like many ancient Sith, his name is all but forgotten, as more powerful--or at least more visible--Sith Lords have taken their place in the historical record. The only known mention of Kallig is in the writings of the famous Dark Lord Tulak Hord, who said "Easily the most ambitious, and therefore the most dangerous of my rivals is Kallig. Therefore, he shall be the first to die."

It is rumored, however, that Tulak Hord was not so successful at killing his rival as he would have liked--and that the strange events in the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas have Kallig at their center.

This was further reinforce by what lord Alaric tell you:

Lord Allaric wrote:"They awoke an ancient sith lord - Lord Kallig - and their expedition plunged into madness"

Now lets see what Kallig have done when awaken :

codex entry the dark temple wrote:Hundreds of years ago, the Sith Emperor ordered the construction of the Dark Temple as a burial place for his dead and defeated enemies, "to aid them in becoming one with the Force." Little is known of what rituals the Emperor performed there, but the Dark Temple has become a nexus of powerful dark side energy, and a place where ancient weapons and ancient secrets of the Sith lay sealed away in cavernous chambers.
Although the Dark Temple grounds have always been a dangerous place for the weak-willed (the expansion of the Kaas City power grid into tunnels beneath the temple drove a thousand slaves mad), the temple itself remained sealed until recently, when an expedition of power-hungry Sith Lords and their servants breached the gateway.
The Dark Council did not sanction this intrusion, nor did it punish the rogue Sith; no one returned from the expedition to punish.Violent electrical storms surrounded the temple for the first week after it was opened, and since then, additional expeditions have been sent by the council to determine the temple's status. Their reports have not been made public.

As you can see the awaken of Lord Kallig create violent electric storm around the temple, this is really impressive knowing that the temple have been build in order to jailled Valkorion ennemy who can survived as spirits. And here Kallig have been able to break the protection and to unleashed his power outside the temple.

An interresting feat yo add is the state of mind of Kallig :

Lord Alaric wrote:"Because Lord Kallig died in ambush, I believe he awakened unaware of his own death, and his expectation become the reality for those around him"

This theory is confirm by Kallig himself :

Lord Kallig wrote:"I felt your movement in the Force, and they stirred my from my nightmars"
"Your strenght in the Force have awaken me from my stupor"

As you can see, when Kallig do this he wasn't even aware of doing this. But he didn't just create violent lightning storm, he also transform the place around him :

Lord Allaric wrote:"Because Lord Kallig died in ambush, I believe he awakened unaware of his own death,and his expectation become the reality for those around him"

Lord Kallig wrote:"When the weakling of this planet trepassed my tumb, I rose, resuming my former life. This temple became my kingdom, and I was once more a Lord of the Sith "

And this directly transpose in the fact that :

Lord Allaric wrote:"His power overwhelmed all inside the temple, and even now workers plot wars against each other, believing themselves Sith Lords and drawing terrible power from Kallig himself"

This is the interresting fact, because of the awaken of Kallig, workers who are non-force sensitive have been able to use the force drawing their power from Kallig himself. So by the simple passive act of thinking that he was still in his kingdom, Kallig have been able to give enormous power to non-force sensitive. This is truly impressive.

The next question that we have is : can we have an approximation of the power given ? The answer is yes. Indeed in the dark temple you can meet the so called "Lord Pharsol" (a twilek slave in reality) who is able to blast your charcters with lightning with a consume ease [7:56 - 8:20]

This will include both Nox and WotEII at the time of the end of Dromund Kaas. And even at this period they are already fully trained acolytes of powerful lords, able to succeed impressive mission and known as powerful fighters.

If you want some reminders of how powerful they are at the end of Dromund Kaas just read in the spoiler section:

Nox and Wrath power:

NOX:

Defeating a tarentatek in Naga Sadow tomb after defeating Khem Val

Just for you to remember how powerful are tarentatek:

Codex entrie: tarentatek wrote:The legendary terentatek is a vicious, tusked monster that feeds on the blood of Force sensitives. Terentateks are known to cluster wherever there is a strong dark side presence and to remain dormant for many years before emerging to hunt.
How terentateks came to be is a subject of much debate. Ancient chronicles report terentatek-like creatures on Korriban, twisted by the dark side rituals performed by early Dark Jedi. Other sources attribute their creation directly to the Sith Lord Exar Kun, who performed many Force experiments on creatures on Yavin 4. Terentateks are undoubtedly one of the most vicious of all creatures steeped in the dark side, and they are doubly dangerous because of their unnatural resistance to Force powers.
Jedi throughout the ages have tried to wipe terentateks from the galaxy, but the creatures have proven incredibly resilient. The most recent concerted effort was three centuries ago; many terentateks were destroyed, but the hunt took the lives of many Jedi Masters, as well.

As you can see, after a fierce fight versus Khem Val, Nox was able to slain a being particularly resilient to force power.

Slained Darth Skotia (with the help of some device in order to disable some of his cyborg stuff) who is a really powerful sith lord:

Darth Zash wrote:“Wretched monster. More machine than man and dangerously powerful.”

Darth Zash wrote:“But nobody will believe a mere apprentice could defeat Skotia. It’s impossible, and that’s why it will work.”

Darth Zash wrote:“But be careful—Skotia may be more machine than man, but he’s no weakling in the Force. Killing him will still be a challenge.”

And even though you use a device to defeat here this didn't lower his ability to use the force. And he is pretty powerful as you can see when he casually kill one of his Trandoshan guard in armor by slamming him into the wall [10:55-11:05] which implied that he at least broke the spine of the trandoshan despite his physical resilience and his armor.

WRATH:

defeated the Marka Ragnos beast which is a great source of DS powet and seems to be a Tarentatek:

Codex entry: The beast of Marka Ragnis wrote:"Left to guard the tomb serving as the resting place for its master, Marka Ragnos, the beast has dwelled in darkness for centuries. Legend tells that Ragnos beat his pet nightly, warping it with the Force until it was a creature of pure hate and anguish. Starved for unthinkable periods of time and then fed only blood, it is said to be filled with an unquenchable thirst for more. Since the death of its master and its seclusion in the tomb, no one has seen the beast and lived to tell the tale. But the strongest Sith can feel its unnerving presence."

Overseer Tremel wrote:The beast of Marka Ragnos was a great source of dark energy here on Korriban. When it was slain, there was a tremor in the Force. Darth Baras felt that termor and has become aware of you. He demands an audience

slained Lord Grathan himself in his own domain which is pretty impressive, knowing that Grathan was a rogue sith that is still alive after declaring himself the "thirteen Dark council member" and being openly at war with the Dark Council itself. This show how good are his defense and himself.

Codex Entry: Grathan Forces wrote:The rogue Sith Lord Grathan has declared himself the thirteenth Dark Council member, with his own power base and sphere of influence within the Sith hierarchy. Although his claim has not been widely recognized, he controls a substantial private army on Dromund Kaas. The Dark Council has authorized all-out warfare against Lord Grathan and anyone who supports him.

After being driven from the Citadel, Lord Grathan holed up in his estate outside Kaas City. His forces there are made up of apprentices, loyal Imperial troops and cybernetic supersoldiers he developed in his secret weapons labs. His cadre of elite scientists--some volunteers, others kidnapped and forced into service--manufactures a seemingly endless number of war droids, as well, reducing attrition in Grathan's army to near zero.

Codex Entry: Grathan Estate wrote:The estate of the rogue Sith Lord Grathan is a miniature fortress, reinforced by cutting-edge weapons technology and experimental shielding. Lord Grathan's cadre of scientists are constantly upgrading the defenses to ensure that air strikes fail to do harm--only ground-based attacks can do real damage. It's the perfect place for a rogue Sith Lord to make his stand.

Lord Grathan has been reinforcing his territory and adding sublevels to his manor for years, suggesting that his plan to declare himself the thirteenth Dark Council member has been in progress longer than many assume. Any number of traps and treasures may exist deep underground, guarded by Grathan's personal guards and automated war droids.

As you can see, Lord Kallig power passively allow non-force sensitive being to be more powerful than this two guys which is really impressive.

And take into account that there is countless of people imbuing with this power and that they are just using a little part of Kallig power.

A point stay: all of this happened on a DS nexus, the Dark Temple so we can think that the power of Kallig have been amped in a pretty huge way.

But two things made this not so relevant:

The electric storm takes place out of the temple which is a prison for powerful sith ghosts (the ennemies of Vitiate). Logicaly the principe of it would be to prevent the ghost to go outside the temple. So if this restrain the capacity of the ghost to go outside and if someone succeed into affecting the environment around the temple it shows that this ghost have been able to bypass the protection who are made to resist the power of sith ghosts amp by this very Dark Side nexus. Clearly this just show how powerful is Lord Kallig.
The others protagonist that I have used here are also dark sider so they also benefits from this Dark Side amp. So the scaling still stand.

To sum-up this part :

Kallig actively acting >Kallig passively acting >>>>>>>>>Lord Pharsholl > WotE/Nox (at the end of dromund kaas).

/Nox (end of Act1)\

Spoiler:

After defeating Zash thanks to your dashade, you met Thanaton for the first time who sent you in the tomb of Darth Andru. Here you face Andru who just easily dispatch you and your Dashade [20:32-20:47] until Kallig appear and force Andru to stop killing you.
To be fair we can see that at the first time Andru tried, you successfully resist him and try to counterattack. But then he attacks once again and just ragdoll you and khem val. Someone can argue that Nox isn't below Andru in term of power and that he looses because he cannot harm him with his lightning. This is pretty moot point, if Nox have been more powerful than Andru he can have successfully resist the second attack in the same way that he have done for the first. Factually he didn't succeed into doing this. So we have that Andru scale above Nox at this time.

Just a little view of Nox power at this period

NOX Power:: -defeated Lord Palladius when sever from the force

Lord Palladius wrote:That painful twisting you feel in your gut is your essence draining, rather rapidly. And that hollow, sinking feeling? Your connection to the Force being severed. Soon you will be no more powerful than little Denton here, or Ramona.”

-defeated Nomar Organa who is a powerful jedi :

Elana Thul wrote:“Unfortunately, the Elysium is sealed tight, and the key is held by Nomar Organa, a powerful, revered and insufferable Jedi Master. You are the only Sith on Alderaan who even stands a chance of defeating Nomar. We must bring him here.”

Urtel Moren wrote:“Nomar Organa has a reputation for strength and power, but above all, for his principles. He is, by all accounts, the perfect Jedi.”

The most interresting part here is that when Kallig come, by a mere command of his voice he force Andru to stop this and even to retreat and dissapear (and we are in his tomb, the really place where Andru have been buried where he is at his peak power). This show just how powerful is kallig: his mere presence force other ghost to flee even didn't trying to stand against him.

By this we have this scaling :

Kallig >>>>>>>>>>> Andru > Nox (End Act 1).

-DARTH ZASH SCALING-

Spoiler:

Now we have that :
Zash(amped) >>>> Kallig

-DARTH THANATON-

Spoiler:: Credit Lord Zash wrote:"As a darth I answer only to darth Thanaton"

And Zash is below Thanathon. She didn't try to overcome him. But in order to have a precise view of Thanaton superiority, I will base this on the confrontation (if we can talk about a confrontation) the firstly occur between Thanathon and Nox.

When this occur, Nox have hugely increased his power by submitting two ghosts the one of Andru and the one of Ergast. Kallig himself think that would be enough to shield Nox from Thanaton power. This is a way more powerful version of Nox who will face Thanaton.
Then the confrontation itself, this is just a stomp from Thanaton. After using to little of his power, he used more power and just killed Nox and the Dashade.
Compare to the fight against Zash and you will understand that Thanaton is way above Zash: he faced a more powerful version of Nox, he didn't even let him the time to attack offensively (what Nox managed to do against Zash). Clearly their is no contest possible.

Now we have:
Thanaton >>>>> Zash (amped)

- Darth Nox -

As we all know, at then end of his third act, Nox defeat Thanaton. So we have
Darth Nox > Darth Thanaton .

To sum-up this whole scaling chain we have:
Darth Nox > Darth Thanaton >>>> Darth Zash(amp) >>>>> Lord Kallig.

SCALLING DARTH NOX (2)

- Thana Vesh -

Spoiler:

Let me remember you a unknown feat from this (not really marking) sith:

Codex Entry: Thana Vesh wrote:Born into wealth and privilege on Dromund Kaas, Thana Vesh spent her childhood cultivating an explosive temper and destroying everything she laid eyes on. When Thana discovered her talent with the Force, she tested her destructive talents on her military parents' bodyguards. After the eighth guard was found broken and mangled, Thana's terrified parents tried to suppress their daughter's power; Thana lashed out, and the resulting devastation burned an entire Kaas City block to the ground.
Thana's parents were consumed in the blaze and their Force-adept orphan was sent to the Sith Academy on Korriban. The incident was widely publicized as an example of the terrible fate of parents who fear, rather than embrace, a potential Sith child.
Thana tore through her Sith trials and fellow acolytes at lightning speed, earning the attention of Darth Gravus. When her studies concluded, the elder Sith Lord took Thana on as his apprentice with the promise that she would finally sink her teeth into the Republic in the jungles of Taris.

We have two interpretations here: Thana destroy herself a Kaas City block or Thana start a fire that consume the block . The latter is false because :

Kaas City is a modern city made of metal, stone and glass which are not really flamable material. In this environnement starting a fire is pretty hard but forcing him to burn a whole city block is nearly impossible. Just see the fire in our modern city (which are way less modern than kaas city), when a fire start it is extremly rare than it expend up to a whole city block, even whithout the help of the fireman. I fail to see how here in a really non-flamable environnement the fire could have destroy a whole city block to the ground. Ad to this that we have no reasons to think that Kaas city didn't have any fireman or equivalent particularly in wealth and privilege area.
The theory that Thana use a flamable material to start the fire can be right but it cannot explain how the fire spread to the whole city block and burn it to the ground (cf the argument above). And the possibility that Thana leave in a flamable area (with gas, petrol,...) is clearly irrealist knowing that she comes from a wealth and privilege area.
Dromund Kaas is nearly always under storm. So with storm there is rain (visible on any picture that you have of Dromund Kaas) which is the perfect counter to fire. Once again, I fail to see how the fire that she starts was able to destroy a whole city block to the ground under a raining climate.

As you can see, this theory is pretty illogic taking into account all of this context. In addition I have some argument to back the other one:

First of all the fact that Thana have been take as an exemple of "the terrible fate of parents who fear, rather than embrace, a potential Sith child". It seems pretty logic in my theory. When you want to show something to a large number of people in order to give a message you take the most fearsome one in order to be remember. And what is more terrific : starting a fire or destroying a whole city block ? The answer is obvious.
Thana after this incident go to Korriban where she succeed the Sith trials. The fact that she is passed them at "lightning speed" and the fact that she just recently discovered her force power (so she have 0 experience, 0 training) proove that she have a great potential with the force. Ad to this that she was able to earn the attention of a Darth who are in the top hierarchy of the sith.
We have alredy seen some display of power able to destroy to the ground buildings (this is interresting to see here that the buildings are on fire)

Destroying building :

As you can see, the theory which is the more plausible is clearly the one saying that Thana Vesh destroy thanks to her own power a city block. Now, when she done this, she was only a child who just start to discover her new power. It is obvious that when she encounter Darth Nox on Taris she was vastly more powerful. And even with that, she have been literally destroy by Start of Act II Nox up to the point that her death didn't even deserve a cinematic.

We must also keep in the mind that this version of Nox cannot stand against Thanaton.

So with all of this we have this new scaling:

Darth Nox > Thanaton >>> Start of Act II Nox > Thana Vesh >>>> Burning to the ground a whole city block

CASE AGAINST ZANNAH

Now that we have a good idea of how powerful is Darth Nox, I will explain why Darth Zannah stand no chance against him.

It is clearly obvious that this fight will imply nearly no use of the lightsaber, both of our fighter mainly prefer to rely on their sorcery to destroy their opponent.

-Madness spell-

The main weapon of Zannah (and one of her most efficient one) are her madness spells who can shattered the mind of her opponent. Nonetheless to counter them, you only need sheer willpower.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil wrote: What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will.

And this is something that Nox have.

Codex Entry: Force Walking wrote:Three hundred years after Tulak Hord, the Sith Ergast tried to recreate the ritual the Dark Lord used to devour the spirits of his enemies at Yn and Chabosh. In its place, he discovered what he called the ritual of Force-walking.

Requiring a Sith of great strength of will, the ritual of Force-walking allows the user to bind the restless ghosts of dead Sith to himself. Once the ghosts are bound, the ritualist may draw from their power, channeling it into a powerful exertion of Force energy against his enemies.

Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia wrote:"Mastery over the dark side requires raw talent and an indomitable spirit. Sith inquisitors draw on their inner passions and dedicate themselves to one facet of the dark arts in their pursuit of ultimate power."

In addition to this, we can see that having already defeat your own fear is something that help you resist this spell:

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil wrote:They were just figments of his imagination born from the repressed memories of his childhood, his greatest fears manifested in physical form. But he had conquered these fears long ago. He had turned his fear of his abusive father into anger and hate-the tools that had given him the strength to endure and eventually escape his life on Apatros. He knew how to defeat these demons, and he struck back [...] she saw that Bane was on his feet again, and she knew he had resisted the spell

Once again, the good news for Nox is that he also already faced and defeat his own fear:

Codex Entry: Dream-Walking wrote:The spirit healers and dream-walkers of Voss are a strange group, even by Voss standards. Preferring to spend most of their time meditating in the wilderness of the Old Paths instead of in Voss-Ka, these Mystics work on healing the mind rather than the body.

Using the ritual of dream-walking, the Mystics enter their own minds and face their own fears, hopes, loves and rages, seeking spiritual balance and health. Such spirit healers are few, but there is evidence of their existence throughout Voss history, and an archive of their writings is kept for spirit healer initiates in the Shrine of Healing.

As you can see, Darth Nox have more than enough tools to deal with Zannah main attack and like during her fight against Bane, she won't be able to use them really efficiently. Darth Zannah vs Darth Nox - Page 2 2668642404

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-Overall knowledge of the Dark Side-

While every one agree on the fact that Bane and Zannah dedicated their life to harness and learn more and more knowledge, this is also the case for Darth Nox. Firstly because of him being a Sith Inquisitor:

Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia wrote:Mastery over the dark side requires raw talent and an indomitable spirit. Sith inquisitors draw on their inner passions and dedicate themselves to one facet of the dark arts in their pursuit of ultimate power

Star Wars the Old Republic Website wrote:The Inquisitor experiments with forbidden powers

The Sith Inquisitor is a master of the dark side of the Force.

Star Wars the Old Republic Website wrote:The Dark Side holds dangerous secrets – and immense power for those who dare to uncover them. The Sorcerer reaches into the darkest corners of the Force to harness volatile energies that can wreak devastation on his enemies and bolster or even heal his allies. The air around a Sorcerer crackles with dark energy, and those foolish enough to get in a Sorcerer’s way soon learn a new definition of suffering

But also because of his position in the Dark Council itself:

Darth Marr wrote:By order of the Dark Council and in light of your reputation as a master of the dark side, you are now Darth Nox. You are head of the pyramid of ancient knowledge. You are charged with keeping the mystical knowledge of the Sith and preserving the secrets of our order. With us, you are ruler of all the Sith, answerable only to the Emperor himself

Now the question that stand is the following: Which of the two have more knowledge of the Dark Side ? Indeed, we didn't have any informations to compare both of knowledge they have respectively harness. We must rely only on the context of their respective era.

On one hand we have a sith inquisitor in an empire (which exist for centuries) using the knowledge that all his predecessor have gathered and himself following some old and unknown path with lots of people who obey his will.
On the other hand, we have an alone sith sorceress, in a galaxy with nearly no allies (just an apprentice), who try to find everything that have been lost from all the sith before, with as only predecessor Darth Bane itself.

Anyone honnest here will agree on the fact that Nox have a clear advantage here and that it is rather obvious that the Heir of Kallig is the one which have more knowledge. Darth Zannah vs Darth Nox - Page 2 2668642404

-Others possibilities for the fight-

Lightsaber fight

As explain at the start of this part this fight will include nearly no use of the lightsaber. However, if Zannah decide to go in close quarters, Darth Nox is far from defensless :

Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia wrote:Inquisitors unleash the dark side of the Force to destroy everything in their wake. Their single and double-bladed lightsabers destroy any foe foolish enough to approach within striking distance

Star Wars The Old Republic Website wrote:An Inquisitor’s skills with a Lightsaber are equally impressive. Often wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber, Inquisitors use quick, guileful, and lethal maneuvers to strike their enemies down with astonishing speed

This is further solidified by the fact that he defeat Lord Paladius (during the Act I) while being sever from the force.

Lord Palladius wrote:That painful twisting you feel in your gut is your essence draining, rather rapidly. And that hollow, sinking feeling? Your connection to the Force being severed. Soon you will be no more powerful than little Denton here, or Ramona.[...]you seem so very eager—let’s settle this with lightsabers.

and Lord Skar which is quote as an: unparalleled lightsaber duelist (Codex Entry: Lord Skar). Clearly Nox had more than enough proof for him as a really good lightsaber fighter

Force Lightning:

While we have no display of Force Lightning for Zannah it is rather obvious than she should be able to use them. I will use the feat from Bane himself as a comparison for this power.
We have three noticeable moment when Bane use his FL. Lets compare them with Nox own feat with this really classic but insanely deadly force power.

Destroying the environnement:

With the use of a Lightning Storm Bane seems to destroy the ground:

Darth Bane: Rule of Two wrote:The ground was littered with debris and marred by dozens of still-smoldering black scorch marks Zannah recognized as the remnants of a terrible storm of unnatural lightning. The air still crackled with the power and energy of the dark side that made her tingle in fear and anticipation.

In comparison, we have Nox who casually destroy stone with simple FL:
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Attacking something which can resist classic lightning:

Here, Farfalla was amped by BM and only survived because Raskta put herself in front of the lightning.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two wrote:Farfalla saw the Sith Lord turn toward him, sensing the intervention that had saved Raskta's life. Bane unleashed a barrage of Sith lightning, gathering and releasing his power at the speed of thought. The Jedi threw up a Force barrier to shield himself, but the electricity tore right through it and arced toward him. Then suddenly Raskta was there to save his life, repaying a debt that was only a few seconds old as she threw herself in front of him.

In comparison, Nox casually incapacitate his Dashade by using FL. Just for you to remember, Dashade are known to be Force-resistant

Star Wars The Old republic Website wrote:A powerful species of Force-resistant killers, they drew strength from feeding on Jedi and Sith alike

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Destroying insanely resilient thing through lightning:

Bane nearly kill himself with a FL storm and managed to destroy a part of his orbalisk armor.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two wrote:When Zannah first reached Bane's side, she was sure her Master was dead. The lightning had reduced his clothes to ash, and his gloves and boots had melted away. The flesh of his face and hands was charred and burned, covered with blisters that oozed a runny yellow pus. Several of the parasites on his chest and stomach hadn't survived, their brown shells turned black and brittle by the lightning's electrical charge. Wisps of still-smoldering smoke crept out from beneath their shells, bringing with it a sickly stench that made Zannah's stomach churn.

In comparison, Nox was able to injure a Force Ghost with his own lightning.
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As you can see, for each demonstration of Bane power, it is easy to find something comparable or better in term of power from Nox.

Telekinesis

Here, none of the fighter have really lots of feat of their own mostly because they prefere rely on more complex dark side technics.
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- Overall view of the fight-

As I have shown above, Zannah could try to use her madness spell but they will be inefficient against someone with such strenght of will and who have already defeated his own fear.
She also haven't enough dark side knowledge to cheapshot him the way she did against Bane (with the use of the dark side tendril) while by having more knowledge it is clearly plausible that Zannah could be cheapshot by a technic that she didn't know at all.
If she try to engage with lightsaber she won't be able to defeat him, even though I agree that there is only a little possibility that Nox defeat Zannah only with his skills with a blade knowing Zannah's insane focus on Soresu.

There is no other option for Zannah to win this fight. She is by all mean below Darth Nox and cannot succeed here. She will be destroy by the heir of Kallig who have both the power and the knowledge to crush her in the same way he did against Thanaton. Darth Zannah vs Darth Nox - Page 2 2668642404

CONCLUSION:

With all of this explain it is now pretty obvious that Zannah haven't any chance to defeat Darth Nox and that the latter will dominate this fight.

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August 11th 2019, 9:12 am

Unsure, I could see this going either way.

August 11th 2019, 9:53 am

I'll back Zannah.

August 11th 2019, 12:02 pm

Zannah in a spectacular stomp

August 11th 2019, 8:11 pm

Yeah, Zannah handily.

August 11th 2019, 8:30 pm

Nox murderstomps now that I think about it.

August 11th 2019, 9:00 pm

Still Nox

August 12th 2019, 7:44 am

Zannah beats.

August 14th 2019, 4:21 am

August 14th 2019, 4:51 am

I'm switching to Zannah now.

August 14th 2019, 5:20 am

Azronger wrote:Zannah in a spectacular stomp

I still stand by this.

August 14th 2019, 8:08 am

Someone carre to made an argument in favor of Zannah

August 14th 2019, 8:10 am

Sorry, but I have other debates active atm. I'm trying not to stretch myself too thin here. Perhaps someone else will step up, though.

August 14th 2019, 8:43 am

xolthol wrote:Someone carre to made an argument in favor of Zannah

Isn't that what we have a DMB for?

Darth Nox vs Darth Zannah

*SCALLING DARTH NOX (1)*

- LORD KALLIG SCALLING -

/Dark Temple\

/Nox (end of Act1)\

-DARTH ZASH SCALING-

-DARTH THANATON-

- Darth Nox -

*SCALLING DARTH NOX (2)*

- Thana Vesh -

*CASE AGAINST ZANNAH*

-Madness spell-

-Overall knowledge of the Dark Side-

-Others possibilities for the fight-

- Overall view of the fight-

CONCLUSION:

SCALLING DARTH NOX (1)

SCALLING DARTH NOX (2)

CASE AGAINST ZANNAH