Yoda vs. Knightfall Vader

No-holds-barred battle in the same starting positions as when Anakin fought Obi Wan.

Yoda is only winning if he pulls out the esoteric techniques.

Probably Yoda.

Yoda handily.

KF Vader wins.

Vader.

Yoda wins

Vader

Yoda

They are stated to be pretty much equals, although I will have to give Yoda the edge on the back of experience and mastery of the force.

KF Vader

An argument for Yoda, please?

As far as I'm concerned KF Vader is flat out better taking into account quotes and feats.

Vader has an edge in power. 

Yoda has a huge edge in stylistic unorthodox  (there aren't many 2ft acrobats with a hitbox the size of a large pizza )Whereas Anakin is pretty much a standard hack and slasher who's mobility has been exploited (see ROTS novel Dooku vs Anakin). 

Yoda has the feat of beating Sidious in sabers, which is currently > anything KFV has shown.

Going with Yoda, for now.

According to Mr. Lucas, Vader is an exact equal of Sidious in power, so he should at be Yoda's equal too. In sabers, however, Yoda has the feat of disarming Sidious, which is a better showing than anything Vader's ever done. Going with Yoda.

KF vader has more raw power .
but he is also an emotional wreck .
he is a tier 9 in power but he is not mentally up there with yoda and sidious nor does he have their mastery of the force .
yoda would exploit this same as obi wan did .
yoda is much more emotionally stable and experience fighter .

also do not forget yoda was able to increase the speed of his lightsaber strikes to the point he disarmed sidious after one or two parries .
anakin does not have lightning to counter yoda . he doesn´t have stronger TK either .
it would be a brutal fight no doubt but yoda would be faster with the blade and would ultimately defeat vader .

KF Vader flat out stomped cin drallig in sabers and a weaker incarnation stomped Dooku effortlessly. The fact that a high end tier 8 duelist in Dooku was effortlessly decimated by a version of Anakin inferior to KF Vader is insane. Cin Drallig was also stated to be capable of beating GG by Dooku iirc. So overall the ease with which KF Vader can stomp high end duelists seems more impressive than Yoda defeating Sidious in sabers after a grueling fight.

KingofBlades wrote:KF Vader flat out stomped cin drallig in sabers and a weaker incarnation stomped Dooku effortlessly. The fact that a high end tier 8 duelist in Dooku was effortlessly decimated by a version of Anakin inferior to KF Vader is insane. Cin Drallig was also stated to be capable of beating GG by Dooku iirc. So overall the ease with which KF Vader can stomp high end duelists seems more impressive than Yoda defeating Sidious in sabers after a grueling fight.

drallig is fodder to likes of sidious and yoda (so this proves nothing)
dooku is a high tier 8 yes (but there is a rather huge gap between tier 8 and tier 9)
anakin was tier 8 at the beggining of the duel and as a jedi he couldn´t defeat dooku .
only with his rage amp he was bordering/entering tier 9 same as windu with his amp against sidious .

but yoda and sidious are not just circumstantional or begginer tier 9 fighters
they are long established 9s both in sabers and the force and they are mentally stable ,
they also have much better knowledge and mastery of the force .

yoda is also the best duelist of all time in my opinion .

https://www.writeurl.com/publish/1ork9l9bze8uxggly290

Also adding the link Ant made for his revan v Vader debate. This paints a pretty clear picture that Jedi Anakin is at the very least a good match for Yoda. KF Vader is a whole different beast. Also KF Vader isn't mentally unstable like MFV so that argument can't be used against him. Also LS jedi Anakin was beating Dooku until the latter used dun moch.

Dooku was winning until the Dün möch rage amped him.

Vader, forever and always.

Honestly, Vader couldn't Force Push Kenobi, he is completely outmatched by Yoda in the Force. He never cared to learn about the Force, even though he was the strongest non celestial being ever existed. Also I don't see how Anakin could react to Yoda since he couldn't even comprehend the speed of Sheev and Mace. He is stronger physically but that won't be the deciding factor of this fight. Yoda is far more capable of using his strength, power and his skill with Lightsaber combined with his speed completely outmatches Anakin. Yoda wins handily.

Another arguement: Anakin lost to Kenobi, he isn't defeating Yoda lmao

HellfireUnit wrote:Honestly, Vader couldn't Force Push Kenobi, he is completely outmatched by Yoda in the Force. He never cared to learn about the Force, even though he was the strongest non celestial being ever existed. Also I don't see how Anakin could react to Yoda since he couldn't even comprehend the speed of Sheev and Mace. He is stronger physically but that won't be the deciding factor of this fight. Yoda is far more capable of using his strength, power and his skill with Lightsaber combined with his speed completely outmatches Anakin. Yoda wins handily.

Another arguement: Anakin lost to Kenobi, he isn't defeating Yoda lmao

Lmao there's so many things wrong with this. However im on mobile  so i can't give a detailed response rn. But basically
1.MFV is not=KF Vader. KF Vader is much more powerful
2. He is stated to have a mastery of the force on par with Yoda in LoE
3.Anakin wasn't augmenting his senses with the force when he couldn't see their movements. Otherwise Kit Fisto blitzes Anakin apparently. I even got you to concede this point on CV

1 - MF Vader still failed to push Obi-Juan. Besides his saber skill, he didn't present any powerful feats at all. He cleared Jedi Temple with only his skill with sabers. There is nothing suggesting he is less powerful.
2 - What mastery? Anakin's mastery of Force being compared to Yoda is bullshit and if you want to prove it, provide reasonable sources and feats. Oh right, he doesn't have any feats that could be compared to Yoda.
3 - Then he should have speedblitz Obi-Wan. Fisto being able to keep up with Sidious "briefly" is thanks to Mace.

This KF Vader lowball is ridiculous tbh.

Except that he doesn't have speed and force feats that could be comparable to Yoda, who was able to match Sidious evenly. You can't deny that Anakin was a noob on the Force. Even council members are way more knowledgeable. Anakin only knows drain resistance and basic TK, which failed to overpower Kenobi's, a mid level Force Wielder compared to Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin etc. Anakin is just a boosted and more skillful Maul, that is it.