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on November 8th 2020, 1:19 pm
Note:

Luke Skywalker is from Return of the Jedi 

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on November 8th 2020, 1:23 pm
Vodo stomps
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on November 8th 2020, 1:30 pm
Equal of Vader wins.
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on November 8th 2020, 1:49 pm
Equal of an emotionally conflicted Vader loses
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on November 8th 2020, 1:52 pm
Emotionally hindered Vader ragdolls too.
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on November 8th 2020, 1:57 pm
Ok
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on November 8th 2020, 2:23 pm
Luke was not Vader’s equal, also Luke was amped by Focused Rage

The emotionally hindered ROTJ Vader’s inferior loses to DE Luke level weakened Ood Bnars Superior Vodo Baas
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on November 8th 2020, 2:25 pm
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on November 8th 2020, 2:27 pm
Luke was only amped by his rage in the end of the fight. Not in the beginning which they were stalemating eachother.
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on November 8th 2020, 2:42 pm
@Seturna wrote:Luke was only amped by his rage in the end of the fight. Not in the beginning which they were stalemating eachother.

When Vader wasn’t even trying like at all yeh?
Luke held his own but it wasn’t a stalemate
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on November 8th 2020, 2:48 pm
Per the ROTJ comic Vader ”brings his full strength and power against the younger man”.

In the same comic Luke is said to show more reluctance in their clash than Vader did, which could also point at the direction that Luke isn’t going all-out.
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on November 8th 2020, 3:11 pm
@Seturna wrote:Superior of Vader wins.
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on November 8th 2020, 3:32 pm
Yeah, if you want to make the argument that Vader was holding back - Luke was as well. Not mention there are a few sources that state Vader let loose completely and still lost. Luke got enraged yes, but this is all counter balanced by the fact that Vader was being amped big time from a dark nexus (Palpatine) that likely would of also weakened Luke.

OT: probably Luke
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on November 8th 2020, 3:59 pm
@Seturna wrote:Per the ROTJ comic Vader ”brings his full strength and power against the younger man”.

In the same comic Luke is said to show more reluctance in their clash than Vader did, which could also point at the direction that Luke isn’t going all-out.

Thanks for the quote

But Vodo still wins because
Odan Urr >> Vodo Baas >> Ood Bnar/DE Luke Skywalker > ROTJ Vader/ROTJ Luke
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on November 8th 2020, 4:35 pm
@Vaelias wrote:
@Seturna wrote:Per the ROTJ comic Vader ”brings his full strength and power against the younger man”.

In the same comic Luke is said to show more reluctance in their clash than Vader did, which could also point at the direction that Luke isn’t going all-out.

Thanks for the quote

But Vodo still wins because
Odan Urr >> Vodo Baas >> Ood Bnar/DE Luke Skywalker > ROTJ Vader/ROTJ Luke

Substantiation for the last part.
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on November 8th 2020, 4:38 pm
Luke wasn't just fighting Vader, he was also resisting Sheev's attempts of TP and Vader was being amped by the presence of Sidious. Despite those odds, they weren't even equal and Luke showed superiority during the fight.
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on November 8th 2020, 5:27 pm
The Courtship of Princess Leia wrote:She pointed a finger at Luke, and before Luke even recognized her evil intent, a ripple of Force slammed into him. White lights exploded behind his eyes, and the right side of his face felt as if it had been smashed by a hammer. His left arm and right leg crumpled under their unbearable weight, and he dropped to the ground on one knee, stunned. All the noise and blaster fire and screams of pain died away, became a distant roaring. Gethzerion pointed at him again, twitched her finger, and his eyes lost focus. He felt the hammer blow to his left temple, dropped to his side and rolled over to his back, gasping. Luke stared up at the sky, watching streams of rocks hurtling above him—some propelled by the Force, others hurled by rancors.
Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed, pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion’s spell had ripped open blood vessels in his brain, and he was about to die, one among hundreds of fatalities on this battlefield.
So this is how it would have been, if Vader had tried to kill me.

But sure, Luke showed superiority  Vodo Siosk Baas vs Luke Skywalker (ROTJ) 1076326320
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on November 8th 2020, 5:34 pm
@HellfireUnit wrote:
@Seturna wrote:Superior of Vader wins.
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on November 8th 2020, 5:38 pm
Sith Archivist wrote:
The Courtship of Princess Leia wrote:She pointed a finger at Luke, and before Luke even recognized her evil intent, a ripple of Force slammed into him. White lights exploded behind his eyes, and the right side of his face felt as if it had been smashed by a hammer. His left arm and right leg crumpled under their unbearable weight, and he dropped to the ground on one knee, stunned. All the noise and blaster fire and screams of pain died away, became a distant roaring. Gethzerion pointed at him again, twitched her finger, and his eyes lost focus. He felt the hammer blow to his left temple, dropped to his side and rolled over to his back, gasping. Luke stared up at the sky, watching streams of rocks hurtling above him—some propelled by the Force, others hurled by rancors.
Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed, pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion’s spell had ripped open blood vessels in his brain, and he was about to die, one among hundreds of fatalities on this battlefield.
So this is how it would have been, if Vader had tried to kill me.

But sure, Luke showed superiority  Vodo Siosk Baas vs Luke Skywalker (ROTJ) 1076326320

I don't see why this quote should refer to RotJ where it has been confirmed by external and other sources that Vader didn't hold back. At best Luke refers to ESB or SotME duel. Don't laugh too early bro.
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on November 8th 2020, 5:58 pm
The New Essential Chronology wrote:The Emperor goaded Luke into snatching up his lightsaber, and father and son battled in a rematch of the duel they had fought on Cloud City. During the struggle, Vader's resolve began to flicker as he saw the good in his son.
Star Wars Fact File 55 wrote:Darth Vader's internal struggles against the faint spark in his soul that was Anakin Skywalker had been thrown into high relief by the Dark Lord's dealings with Luke. The Emperor demanded utter obedience and unquestioning loyalty. Vader vowed to serve his Master, but the words sounded hollow.
The Courtship Of Princess Leia wrote:
[ltr]And there was a further matter. In his battles with Darth Vader and the Emperor,[/ltr]

[ltr]Luke felt he had never truly tested his powers to the limits.[/ltr]

[ltr]Vader had sought only to turn him, had kept Luke alive.[/ltr]

[ltr]Yet Luke had no illusions that Gethzerion would be so lenient.[/ltr]

It's also worth mentioning that Luke at the start of dark empire was either less powerful than or equal to Vader.
Dark Empire sourcebook wrote:He had foreseen just how powerful Luke could be if he turned to the way of destruction. More powerful than Vader.

Given how DE Luke is superior to RotJ Luke it won't make sense for RotJ Luke > RotJ Vader
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on November 8th 2020, 11:26 pm
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GEORGE LUCAS: Well, children love power because children are the powerless. And so their fantasies all center on having power. And who’s more powerful than Darth Vader, you know? And, some, you know, will be attracted to Luke Skywalker because he’s the good guy. But ultimately, we all know that Darth Vader’s more powerful than he is.
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on November 9th 2020, 6:38 am
I’ll respond soon.
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on November 9th 2020, 10:00 am
The Fact files are all IU and so is the New Essential chronology too iirc. So two IU sources proclaiming Vader is hindered. Meanwhile the ROTJ official comic adaption says Vader is going all-out. If we’re gonna make the argument that Vader isn’t going all-out, then so would it be for Luke as well… for the reasons HU and  Elf provided:

@Hellfireunit wrote: Luke wasn't just fighting Vader, he was also resisting Sheev's attempts of TP and Vader was being amped by the presence of Sidious. Despite those odds, they weren't even equal and Luke showed superiority during the fight.

@SnowxElf wrote: Yeah, if you want to make the argument that Vader was holding back - Luke was as well. Not mention there are a few sources that state Vader let loose completely and still lost. Luke got enraged yes, but this is all counter balanced by the fact that Vader was being amped big time from a dark nexus (Palpatine) that likely would of also weakened Luke.

Meanwhile we have a few OOU sources proclaiming them to be rough equals. Vader might be the superior combatant due to his higher level of mastery and experience, but not by much.

Also wouldn’t trust anything regarding what Sidious says. It’s all likely manipulation to turn Luke to the DS. We know Luke believes Vader to be much stronger than him; and if Sidious uses that against Luke and says that he will be as strong as Vader is, then that’s a smart move of manipulation to turn Luke. Not such a smart move of truthness though considering:

Beware The Sith wrote: Although Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are equally strong in the Force, their duels are more than just about physical strength.

Jedi Battles wrote: Father and son were now equally strong with the Force and equally skilled with their lightsabers. But this battle was more than just physical strength and Force powers.

Return Of The Jedi junior novel wrote: On the Death Star, Luke and Darth Vader were engaged in a duel that was even more vicious than their battle on Cloud City. Luke had grown stronger since their last encounter, and his skill with his lightsaber had improved greatly. As they swung at each other in the Emperor’s throne room, Luke sensed the advantage had shifted to him.

All and all. They are equals.

@Vaelias wrote: GEORGE LUCAS: Well, children love power because children are the powerless. And so their fantasies all center on having power. And who’s more powerful than Darth Vader, you know? And, some, you know, will be attracted to Luke Skywalker because he’s the good guy. But ultimately, we all know that Darth Vader’s more powerful than he is.

KingOfBlades has made a solid counter to this argument here: https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t2962p50-darth-vader-rotj-and-luke-skywalker-rotj-vs-b-team?]

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