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BigMouthPrick
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Could Sidious have defeated Plagueis without drugging him?  Empty Could Sidious have defeated Plagueis without drugging him?

on Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:03 am
As the title says; would Sheev have been able to defeat his master without the aid of alcohol?
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on Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:20 pm
Is he capable of it? Yes. He's confirmed more powerful if only slightly. 

Is it the most likely outcome? Flip a coin
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on Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:19 pm
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on Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:29 pm
No, I don’t believe he would have
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:42 am
Does skill and ability refer to Palpatine being sly enough to convince his master to drink himself into being helpless?
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:47 am
Possibly, but Plagy's MM powers would through him off. Palp is certainly smart enough to adapt to Plagy's MM powers though. Although, I am not really sure if Palp's power could supersede Plagy's MM abilities. We never really see everything that that Plagy can do with his MM abilities; even in a weakened state he was capable of utilizing MM to no sell Sheev's strongest attack ever up to that point in time.
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:24 am
@BigMouthPrick wrote:Does skill and ability refer to Palpatine being sly enough to convince his master to drink himself into being helpless?

He didn't trick Plagueis into drinking; he just took advantage of the opportunity when it arose, which doesn't need special skill or ability he wouldn't already have. The quote says "In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so," which lends itself toward the idea he was combatively able enough.

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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:44 am
The Complete Encyclopedia states he could.

How can Plagueis's midi-chlorian manipulation be used combat-wise? Would he be able to wear Sidious out over time if not for his breathing apparatus weakness?
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:17 am
Luceno already answered this question, did he not?
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:54 am
Sas wrote:Luceno already answered this question, did he not?

Yeah, but one is not obligated to accept his answer.

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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:34 am
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@Master Azronger wrote:
Sas wrote:Luceno already answered this question, did he not?

Yeah, but one is not obligated to accept his answer.

Why not?
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:45 am
Because it's not canonical.

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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:48 pm
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For the ignorant masses (like me) what did Luceno answer with?
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:55 pm
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@Nute_Chethray wrote:For the ignorant masses (like me) what did Luceno answer with?
Do you feel that, had it come to a contest of lightsabers or Force powers, Sidious would have prevailed anyway?


Lucenco: If it had come to a duel, I think Plagueis may have found a way to undermine his apprentice.


This is the quote in full.
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on Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:55 pm
@Seturna wrote:
@Nute_Chethray wrote:For the ignorant masses (like me) what did Luceno answer with?
Do you feel that, had it come to a contest of lightsabers or Force powers, Sidious would have prevailed anyway?


Lucenco: If it had come to a duel, I think Plagueis may have found a way to undermine his apprentice.


This is the quote in full.
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on Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:23 pm
He had the skill and ability to do so, so he was capable of it at the very least.
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