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on March 16th 2020, 4:05 pm
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Darth Malgus as of the end of Deceived, Bastila is as she was during the Star Forge in KOTOR. 


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Three posts each of varying character counts (10,000, 13,750, 17,500) and a conclusion that's 6,500. Quotes, evidence, etc. are not included. 

No time limit between posts due to real life obligations.

@Nute_Chethray Is this okay, or do you want any changes to be made?


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on March 16th 2020, 4:44 pm
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on March 16th 2020, 6:30 pm
This is all fine, thanks for making the thread. Do you want to start or?
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on March 16th 2020, 6:32 pm
You can start if you want. Got a separate post to follow up on first.
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on March 16th 2020, 6:46 pm
BoD wrote:You can start if you want. Got a separate post to follow up on first.
Same lol
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on March 16th 2020, 6:51 pm
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on March 16th 2020, 8:29 pm
@Geistalt Please don't post your opinions until later as it's an SS between Cheth and I.
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on March 17th 2020, 5:01 am
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on March 17th 2020, 7:52 am
Great match TAEP
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on March 17th 2020, 8:33 am
@Nute_Chethray I've got to finish a couple of internship applications so if you aren't planning to write your first post in the next 2-3 days, I can start soon and post first.
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on March 17th 2020, 10:23 am
BoD wrote:@Nute_Chethray I've got to finish a couple of internship applications so if you aren't planning to write your first post in the next 2-3 days, I can start soon and post first.
I probably won't have replied by then since I have to start canon tournament by the week
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on March 17th 2020, 7:26 pm
@Nute_Chethray wrote:
BoD wrote:@Nute_Chethray I've got to finish a couple of internship applications so if you aren't planning to write your first post in the next 2-3 days, I can start soon and post first.
I probably won't have replied by then since I have to start canon tournament by the week
Ok. Got to do my story, a post and a project but should have them done by Thursday if I'm as productive as today so post will be up by the weekend (hopefully).
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on March 21st 2020, 6:36 pm
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"I fight because that is what I was made to do and the Empire is the
instrument through which I realize my purpose. The Empire is war made manifest. That is why it is perfect.”


For the purposes of this debate, I aim to prove Malgus is comparable, if not outright superior to Bastila in three important areas: physical strength; lightsaber skill; and applicable power in combat. Each of these will be given their own sections for easy reference. 




Malgus’ physicals 


Of all of Malgus’ advantages in this matchup, perhaps the most significant is in his physical strength. As early as Return, we’ve seen an enraged Malgus has immense levels of strength, strength enough to easily destroy everything Battlemaster Kao Cen Darach can throw at him, as well as utterly demolish Battlemaster Kao Cen Darach’s defences and disarm him twice:



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More to the point, Malgus did so in around 10 seconds of blade-to-blade combat, during which he landed several blows, disarmed Darach twice, and then bisected him. For all intents and purposes, Malgus fodderised Master Darach. 




Now, why is this significant? As a Battlemaster, Kao Cen Darach was an expert on the seven forms:


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The Battlemasters of the Order are usually the most elite warriors within the Jedi Order, and have included the likes of the HoT/Outlander - a character whose skill needs no real elaboration - and Cin Drallig, a man Dooku considered to be around the same tier as Mace Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi:




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Yet a vastly pre-prime Malgus’ physical strength utterly crushed him. 


Fast forward 28 years to Deceived, and Malgus’ strength has only grown immensely, allowing him to perform feats like sending Ven Zallow flying backwards 10 metres, a character who scales pretty immensely above Kao Cen Darach:



Feeding off the anger from Eleena, Malgus shoved Zallow away and unleashed an onslaught of overhand slashes and crosscuts. Zallow backed off, parrying, unable to respond with blows of his own. Malgus tried to split Zallow’s head but Zallow blocked again and again. Malgus spun into a high, Force-augmented kick that hit Zallow in the chest and sent him flying backward ten meters. Zallow flipped and landed upright in a crouch near two of Malgus’s Sith warriors.



Sending a rage amped Aryn Leneer back ten metres with a single backhand:



He must have sensed his danger at the last moment for he slid partially aside. Still, the green line of Master Zallow’s blade pierced his armor and side and elicited a snarl of pain and rage. Before Aryn could follow up, Malgus drove an open hand into the side of her face. She was unready for the blow. The Force-augmented impact exploded a spark shower in her brain and sent her cartwheeling away from Malgus; she slammed into a rock and landed on her side ten meters away.



Shattered stone with his descent and made Aryn’s arms shake just by blocking his strikes:



Aryn fell fully into the Force, raised her defenses, took a fighting stance, and parried Malgus’s two-handed overhand slash. Still, he landed in a cocoon of power, hitting the ground in an explosion of might that shattered the stones around them and turned them into a hail of shrapnel. Unflinching, Aryn deflected them with the Force as she parried another slash from Malgus. The force of the Sith’s blow made her arms quiver, but she gave no ground.



Overwhelmed Satele Shan, who by this point had grown massively since their last duel and become a Jedi Knight, with his physical strength alone:


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This version of Satele was also capable of dominating Sith warriors with the Force and then blitzing several of them:


https://youtu.be/1ToztqqDcaY?t=159



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And matched Ven Zallow, Grandmaster of the Jedi Order and one of its most notable figures, in strength: 



Their blades sizzling in opposition, each used the Force to press against the strength of the other, but neither had an obvious advantage. 



All of these feats are performed before the death of Eleena, which is described as being a huge power boost for him, with Malgus likening it to the difference between “drawing on the Force” and as if he actually “were the Force”, and residing in the “calm eye of a storm of hate”:



Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to be exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage. He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it. He had evolved. Nothing split his loyalties any longer. 



Malgus’ power and understanding within the Force is likewise described as increasing by the day:



He served the Force and only the Force, and his understanding of it increased daily. The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible. All at once he lowered all of the mental barriers, let the full force of his power roil around him. 



To give a sense of this power growth, before this growth Malgus and Lord Adraas were fairly even, with Darth Angral being confident Adraas could take Malgus' position within the hierarchy as a warrior, strategist and combatant:



And there it was, unadulterated and out in the open. Not even Malgus could miss it. Adraas had essentially admitted that he wished Malgus’s spot in the hierarchy, and Angral’s participation suggested that he sanctioned the power grab. 



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The smoldering heat of Malgus’s brewing anger ignited into open flame. Snarling, he leapt from his chair, activated his lightsaber, and unleashed an overhand strike to split Adraas’s head in two. But Adraas, anticipating Malgus’s attack, bounded to his feet, activated his own lightsaber, and parried the blow. 


The two men pressed their blades against the other before Angral’s desk, energy sizzling, sparks flying. Malgus tested Adraas’s strength. “You have been hiding your power,” he said. “No,” Adraas answered. “You are just too blind to see the things before your eyes.” Malgus summoned a reserve of strength and pushed Adraas back a stride. They regarded each other with hate in their eyes. “That will be all,” Angral said, standing. Neither Malgus nor Adraas took his eyes from the other and neither deactivated his blade.
“That will be all,” Angral said. As one, both men backed off another step. Adraas deactivated his lightsaber, then Malgus.



Adraas has previously shown strong enough augmentation in the Force to hold his own in a strength match against Malgus, forcing Malgus to draw upon extra reserves just to push him back a bit. 


Fast forward to after Eleena’s death, and this is how their duel goes:



“You understand nothing,” Malgus said, and stepped into the room. Malgus felt the hate pouring off Adraas, the power, but it paled in comparison to the rage and hate roiling in Malgus. In his mind’s eye, he saw Eleena’s face as she died. It poured fuel on the flames of his rage. Adraas, too, stepped into the room. “Do you think that your presence here is a surprise? That I have not long foreseen this?” Malgus chuckled, the sound loud off the high ceiling. “You have foreseen it but you cannot stop it. You are a child, Adraas. And tonight you pay. Angral is not here to protect you. No one is.” Adraas scoffed. 
“I have hidden my true power from you, Malgus. It is you who will not leave here.” 
“Then show me your power,” Malgus said, sneering.

Adraas snarled and held forth his left hand. Force lightning crackled from his fingertips, filled the space between them. Malgus interposed his lightsaber, drew the lightning to it, and started walking toward Adraas. The power swirled around the red blade, sizzling, crackling, pushed against Malgus, but he strode through it. The skin of his hands blistered but Malgus endured the pain, paid it as the price of his cause. As he walked, he spun his blade in an arc above his head, gathering the lightning, then flung it back at Adraas. It slammed into his chest, lifted him bodily from the ground, and threw him hard against the far well. “Is that your power?” Malgus asked, still advancing, cloaked in rage. “That is what you wished to show me?” Adraas climbed to his feet, his armor charred and smoking. A snarl split his face. Malgus picked up his pace, turned the walk into a charge. His boots thumped off the wood floor of the hall. He did not bother with finesse. He vented his rage in a continuous roar as he unleashed a furious series of blows: an overhand slash that Adraas parried; a low stab that Adraas barely sidestepped; a side kick that connected to Adraas’s side, broke ribs, and flung Adraas fully across the narrow axis of the hall. He crashed into a column and the impact split it as would lightning a tree. Adraas growled as he climbed to his feet. Power gathered around him, a black storm of energy, and he leapt at Malgus, his blade held high. Malgus sneered, gestured, seized Adraas in his power, and pulled him from the air at the apex of his leap. Adraas hit the ground in a heap, his breath coming in wheezes.

He climbed to all fours, then to his feet, favoring his side, his blade held limply before him. “You hid nothing from me,” Malgus said, and the power in his voice caused Adraas to wince. “You are a fool, Adraas. Your skill is in politics, in currying favor with your betters. Your understanding of the Force is nothing compared to mine.” Adraas snarled, started to charge toward Malgus, a last-ditch attempt to salvage his dignity if not his life. Malgus held forth his hand and the rage within him manifested in blue veins of lightning that discharged from his fingertips and slammed into Adraas. The power stopped Adraas’s charge cold, blew his lightsaber from his hand, caught him up in a cage of burning lightning. He screamed, squirming in frustration and pain.

“End it, Malgus! End it!” Malgus unclenched his fingers and released the lightning. Adraas fell to the ground, his flesh smoking, the skin of his once handsome face blistered and peeling. Again he rose to all fours and looked up at Malgus. “Angral will avenge me.” “Angral will suspect what has happened here,” Malgus said, and strode toward him. “But he will never know, not for certain, not until it is too late.”
“Too late for what?” Adraas asked. Malgus did not answer.
“You are mad,” Adraas said, and leapt to his feet and charged. He pulled his lightsaber to his fist and activated it. The attack took Malgus momentarily by surprise. Adraas loosed a flurry of strikes, his blade a humming, red blur as he spun, stabbed, slashed, and cut. Malgus backed off a single step, another, then held his ground, his own blade an answer to all of Adraas’s attacks. Adraas shouted as he attacked, the sound that of desperation, filled with the knowledge that he was no match for Malgus. Finally Malgus answered with an attack of his own, forcing Adraas back with the power and speed of his blows. When he had Adraas backed up against the wall, he crosscut for his head. Adraas ducked under and Malgus cut a column in two.

As the huge upper piece of the column crashed to the floor and the balcony lurched above them, Adraas fell to one knee and stabbed at Malgus’s chest. Malgus spun out of the way and rode the spin into a chop that severed Adraas’s arm at the elbow. Adraas screamed and clutched his arm at the bicep while his forearm fell to the floor along with the column. Malgus had taught the lesson he’d come to teach. He deactivated his lightsaber, held up his left hand, and made a pincer of his fingers. Adraas tried to use his own power to defend himself but Malgus pushed through it and took telekinetic hold of Adraas’s throat. Adraas gagged, the capillaries in his wide eyes beginning to pop. Malgus’s power lifted Adraas from the floor, his legs kicking, gasping. Malgus stood directly before Adraas, his hate the vise closing on Adraas’s trachea.
“You and Angral caused this, Adraas. And the Emperor. There can be no peace with the Jedi, no truce.” He clenched his fist. “There can be no peace, at all. Not ever.” Adraas’s only answer was continued gagging. Seeing him there, hanging, near death, Malgus thought of Eleena, of Adraas’s description of her. He released Adraas from the clutch of his Force choke. Adraas hit the ground on his back, gasping. Malgus had a knee on his chest and both his hands on his throat before Adraas could recover. He would kill Adraas with his bare hands. “Look me in the eyes,” he said, and made Adraas look at him.
"In the eyes!” Adraas’s eyes showed petechial hemorrhaging but Malgus knew he was coherent. “You called her a mongrel,” Malgus said. He removed his gauntlets, took Adraas by the throat, and began to squeeze. “To my face you called her that. Her.” Adraas blinked, his eyes watering. His mouth opened and closed but no sound emerged. “You are the mongrel, Adraas.” Malgus bent low, nose-to-nose. “Angral’s mongrel and you and those like you have mongrelized the purity of the Empire with your pollution, trading strength for a wretched peace.” Adraas’s trachea collapsed in Malgus’s grip. There was no final cough or gag. Adraas died in silence. Malgus rose and stood over Adraas’s body. He pulled on his gloves, adjusted his armor, his cloak, and walked out of the manse.




Malgus stomps him in every regard. Strength, power, and skill. Post boost Malgus is massively above Malgus from the rest of the novel, so not only would his power be massively above his pre-boost self, but so would his physical strength and augmentation.


Unfortunately, Bastila lacks the strength feats to suggest that she can match him, so it’s highly likely he can outright overwhelm her in sabers through his raw strength alone, as he did to Kao Cen Darach and Hope Satele Shan, and as he almost did to Aryn Leneer.


Lightsaber skill 


Like his strength, this is a huge advantage for Malgus. He has long been considered one of the greatest warriors in the Sith Empire, putting him in the same league as beings like Marr, whose abilities are “second to none”:



Even before the Great War, Malgus was widely regarded as one of the greatest warriors in the Sith Empire.
Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia



Over years of war, Malgus was only able to further develop his abilities, defeating Kao Cen Darach in a fairly one-sided fight while enraged and 28 years before Deceived. He then fought Ven Zallow as an equal, ultimately outmaneuvering him



There was only Malgus and his rage, and Zallow and his calm. Their blades sizzling in opposition, each used the Force to press against the strength of the other, but neither had an obvious advantage. Malgus shouted rage into Zallow’s face. Only a furrowed brow and the tight line of his mouth betrayed the tension behind Zallow’s otherwise tranquil expression. Feeding off the anger from Eleena, Malgus shoved Zallow away and unleashed an onslaught of overhand slashes and crosscuts. Zallow backed off, parrying, unable to respond with blows of his own. Malgus tried to split Zallow’s head but Zallow blocked again and again. Malgus spun into a high, Force-augmented kick that hit Zallow in the chest and sent him flying backward ten meters. Zallow flipped and landed upright in a crouch near two of Malgus’s Sith warriors. They lunged for him and Zallow parried one blow, leapt over the second, and spun a rapid circle, cutting down both Sith. Malgus, burning with hate, flung his lightsaber at Zallow. He guided its trajectory with the Force, and it spun a sizzling path through the air at Zallow’s neck. But Zallow, riding the momentum of his attack on the second Sith, leapt into the air and over the blade. While Zallow was still in the air, Malgus unleashed a blast of energy that caught the Jedi unprepared and sent him crashing downward into a pile of rubble. He lay there, prone. 


Malgus did not hesitate. He mounted the column of his anger, shouting with hate, and leapt twenty meters into the air toward Zallow. Mid-jump, he used the Force to recall his blade to his hand, took a reverse two-handed grip, and prepared to pin Zallow to the Temple floor. But Zallow rolled out of the way at the last moment and Malgus’s blade sank to the hilt in the stone of the Temple’s floor. Zallow leapt up and over Malgus, landed in a crouch, reactivated his lightsaber, and pelted across the floor back at Malgus. Eschewing speed and grace for power, Zallow loosed a flurry of rapid strikes, slashes, and lunges. Malgus parried one blow after another but could not find an opening to mount his own counterattack. Lunging forward, Zallow slashed crosswise, Malgus parried, and Zallow slammed the hilt of his saber into the side of Malgus’s jaw. A tooth dislodged and his respirator was knocked askew. Malgus tasted blood, but he was too deep in the Force for the blow to do real damage. He staggered backward a step, as if the blow had stunned him. Seeing an opening, Zallow stepped forward and crosscut for Malgus’s throat. 


As Malgus knew he would do. 


Malgus turned his blade vertical to parry the blow and spun out of the blade lock. Reversing his lightsaber during the spin, he rode it into a stab that pierced Zallow’s abdomen and came out the other side. Zallow’s expression fell. He hung there, impaled by the red line. He held Malgus’s eyes, and Malgus saw the flames of the burning Temple reflected in Zallow’s green irises. “It is all going to burn,” Malgus said. Zallow’s brow furrowed, perhaps with pain, perhaps with despair. Either way, Malgus enjoyed it. He waited for the light to disappear from Zallow’s eyes before jerking his blade free and allowing the body to fall to the floor. 



Ven Zallow was the Grandmaster of the time, and his ability to match Malgus 28 years after Return is further proof of his immense scaling over Kao, who was stomped by him. 


Malgus then has his immense growth following Eleena’s death, which would naturally augment his skill, allowing him to outright stomp Adraas, a former rival:



He pulled his lightsaber to his fist and activated it. The attack took Malgus momentarily by surprise. Adraas loosed a flurry of strikes, his blade a humming, red blur as he spun, stabbed, slashed, and cut. Malgus backed off a single step, another, then held his ground, his own blade an answer to all of Adraas’s attacks. Adraas shouted as he attacked, the sound that of desperation, filled with the knowledge that he was no match for Malgus. Finally Malgus answered with an attack of his own, forcing Adraas back with the power and speed of his blows. When he had Adraas backed up against the wall, he crosscut for his head. Adraas ducked under and Malgus cut a column in two. As the huge upper piece of the column crashed to the floor and the balcony lurched above them, Adraas fell to one knee and stabbed at Malgus’s chest. Malgus spun out of the way and rode the spin into a chop that severed Adraas’s arm at the elbow. Adraas screamed and clutched his arm at the bicep while his forearm fell to the floor along with the column. 



By the end of Deceived, Malgus has utterly eclipsed Adraas, near-effortlessly stomping him while Adraas was fuelled by desperation, fear and rage. This Malgus is fairly far above his earlier iteration, stomping a character his past self had been forced to draw upon excess reserves to stagger.


Power


Again, Malgus has the edge here. Beyond lightning, he also has better telekinetic feats:



“Disperse,” Malgus said, his own anger building as theirs receded. “Now.” Perhaps sensing his anger, those near him started to back away. Some at the fringe of the crowd turned and fled. Most held their ground, though they looked uncertainly at one another.
“We have family inside.”
“I need care,” someone else shouted. Malgus fell into the Force as his brewing anger bubbled to the surface.
“I said disperse!” When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fist into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions. Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he’d rode on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground. The sirens continued to wail.

Partially vented, he came back to himself. Moans and pained whimpers sounded from all around him. A child was crying. Bodies lay scattered about like so many rag dolls. Shattered glass covered the ground. Speeders and swoops lay on their sides. Loose papers stirred in the wind. Unmoved, Malgus walked the now-clear path into the medical facility.




Shortly after the Sacking of Coruscant, Malgus is able to casually send an entire crowd flying with a gesture of power, to the point that they’re left either unconscious, dead, or heavily wounded and even vehicles have been knocked down:



Moans and pained whimpers sounded from all around him. A child was crying. Bodies lay scattered about like so many rag dolls. Shattered glass covered the ground. Speeders and swoops lay on their sides. Loose papers stirred in the wind. Unmoved, Malgus walked the now-clear path into the medical facility.



On top of this, he also shows enough power to effortlessly shatter columns in the Jedi Temple with the Force just as a side-effect of his anger:



Anger refilled him, overcame him. A shout of hate, raw and jagged, burst from his throat. Power went with it, shattering a nearby column and sending a rain of stone shards through the room. 



Said columns look like this:




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Yet Malgus shattered one like it was made of paper without even focusing on it. 


Even more impressive is Malgus’s scaling, which puts him above Jedi who can collapse buildings even when he’s heavily wounded after the Hope attack, which involved him being hit by a mortar, a grenade to the face, a Force blast, and then having part of a mountain collapsed on top of him (note that he was overpowering her grip even in this state):


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Malgus himself notes that he doesn’t need to defeat the Jedi in saber combat, but that he takes joy in doing it. Even at this point, a heavily wounded Malgus is above a Jedi who can collapse two buildings at once, yet Malgus stops the rubble, sends tons of it flying away from him and then proceeds to overwhelm the Jedi in both lightsaber combat and with lightning.


Said lightning is in itself one of Malgus’ most potent weapons, being capable of defeating Jedi as powerful as the one mentioned above, as well as one-shotting Aryn Leneer when she was defending against it:



As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle. As she flew toward the deck, she smelled burning flesh, heard screaming, realized that it was her flesh, her screams. She hit the ground hard and her head bounced off the ground. Sparks erupted in her brain, pain, and everything went dark. 



And killing two padawans and a knight at once:





Malgus, not to be outdone, picked a Jedi Knight at random, a human female ten meters away, held forth his left hand, and discharged veins of blue lightning from his fingertips. The jagged lines of energy cut a swath through the battle, harvesting two Padawans as they went, until they caught up to the Jedi Knight and lifted her off her feet. She screamed as the lightning ripped into her, her flesh made temporarily translucent from the dark power coursing through her. Malgus savored her pain as she died



Again, all of this is long before his growth after killing Eleena, meaning that all of these feats pale in comparison to his power by the end of Deceived


Summary



  • Malgus is physically much stronger than Bastila, and has already proven that he can overwhelm opponents with his physical strength even by midway through Deceived.



  • Malgus is among the most skilled swordsmen in the Empire even by this point, putting him with the likes of Darth Marr, Darth Angral, Lord Scourge, and so on. He’s also defeated Battlemasters and Grandmasters long before his post-Eleena power growth, which puts him beyond the likes of Bastila, who simply lacks the showings to compete with a character skilled enough to outmatch Battlemasters 28 years before Deceived even takes place. Frankly, I’m not even sure Bastila could convincingly take Hope Satele, let alone EoDeceived Malgus. 



  • Malgus has the raw power to overwhelm Bastila if it comes to a Force battle, as well as lightning potent enough that it can overpower beings as powerful as Aryn Leneer with a single, continuous blast. Bastila lacks the feats to suggest that her own Force defences can defend against Malgus’ lightning, which can overwhelm Jedi who can collapse buildings and others who can match him for a time in saber combat and even in telekinesis.



  • End of Deceived Malgus scales massively above the likes of Kao Cen Darach and the unnamed Jedi on Alderaan in raw power, defeating both when he was either A) massively pre-prime, or B) heavily injured. Both of these characters could probably give Bastila a good fight, be it in saber combat or Force abilities.



  • Bastila simply doesn’t have the strength, speed, skill or power to hang with Malgus for long, let alone defeat him in a duel. 



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A few misconceptions that have been previously addressed (Not my place to elaborate though, it's Cheth's debate) but the post itself is enjoyable to read.
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I want to start by saying I won’t try to lowball Malgus unnecessarily, so if I don’t reply to some of your showings, it's likely since I agree. I’ll show why Bastila is great, not why Malgus is weak. 

Malgus only beat Kao at the late stages of the fight, during which 1) as you correctly stated, Malgus was enraged, 2) Kao was exhausted, as seen by his slow and defensive blows instead of acrobatics and force attacks. Before both of these factors applied, Kao outmaneuvered Malgus while also dueling and killing his master. I doubt that this is a show of superiority. I’d agree if you said Deceived Malgus is > Kao due to his growth though. 

This scan you provided also noted that someone specializing on one form would have the advantage over them.

Dooku said wrote:“They take on too much. Someone who spent all his time studying a single form could probably best a battlemaster” 

Kenobi does question if Dooku could beat a battlemaster, but Ahsoka dismisses Kenobi’s doubts. 

BoD wrote wrote:"The Battlemasters of the Order are usually the most elite warriors within the Jedi Order, and have included the likes of the HoT/Outlander - a character whose skill needs no real elaboration - and Cin Drallig, a man Dooku considered to be around the same tier as Mace Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi"

The comparison to other battlemasters is irrelevant, since the Outlander has beaten a far greater Malgus than the one who beat Kao. 

BoD wrote wrote:"Yet a vastly pre-prime Malgus’ physical strength utterly crushed him."

Did Malgus get physically stronger?

BoD wrote wrote:"Overwhelmed Satele Shan, who by this point had grown massively since their last duel and become a Jedi Knight, with his physical strength alone"

Malgus was stronger than her. But she could still hold him onehanded while tearing apart a large tree. 

BoD wrote wrote:

"On top of this, he also shows enough power to effortlessly shatter columns in the Jedi Temple with the Force just as a side-effect of his anger"
By your quote (never read the novel) it sounds like a force scream, not a “sideeffect”. This was also directly after he saw his lover get hurt, so his anger was increased above normal. And while still impressive its not that great. 

BoD wrote wrote:"a grenade to the face"

The detonator barely managed to injure Malcom, but the mountain blast is more than enough to make the feat impressive. Wouldn’t say he overpowered her grip as he still was stuck, especially not after her second blast. But he resisted it well. 

BoD wrote wrote:"even when he’s heavily wounded after the Hope attack"

Malgus confirmed he felt no pain, only anger and hate, so he wasn’t hindered, maybe even amped:

Insider wrote wrote:"But he felt no pain. He felt only anger.
Hate"

Malgus also confirms the buildings landing on him made him control and sharpen his anger and power:

Insider wrote wrote:"With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power"

BoD wrote wrote:

"Malgus himself notes that he doesn’t need to defeat the Jedi in saber combat, but that he takes joy in doing it."

After Malgus claimed he could end the jedi in several ways, he realises that the jedi is feigning weakness and baiting him. His previous opinion of the jedi’s ability wrong:

Insider wrote wrote:"He was baiting him, Malgus realised. Feigning weakness."

BoD wrote wrote:

"and then proceeds to overwhelm the Jedi in both lightsaber combat and with lightning."

The jedi was beaten because he became careless as he tried to avenge his padawan, and was hit by lightning before he could raise his guard. Malgus even notes that the jedi was briefly overcome by anger:

Insider wrote wrote:"A flash of anger, quickly suppressed, shot from the zabrak as he bounded over the rubble at Malgus"

"At 10 meters, Malgus extended his free hand and loosed veins of blue force lightning. They struck the charging jedi: swept through his defences, swirled around him and began to burn flesh. 
The impressiveness of the building feat itself is exaggerated. The entire town was “ruined”, the buildings “smoldered”, and the planet “charred”. The buildings were already ruined, the jedi just pushed them over Malgus. An “avalanche” suggests a mass quantity of pieces, not two or three buildings:

Insider wrote wrote:"buildings and corpses smoldered in the ruins of an Alderaani town"

"He saw nothing but charred ruins, rubbled buildings, burnt out vehicles." 

"...carrying the smell of a charred planet, a planet Malgus had intended to kill, but only wounded." 

"An avalanche of duracrete and transpirasteel"

Malgus is superior to the jedi. But all those factors make the gap alot smaller. And the jedi isn’t massively impressive either. 

BoD wrote wrote:"And killing two padawans and a knight at once:"

Oneshotting three forceusers is a great feat yes. 


BoD wrote wrote:"Said lightning is in itself one of Malgus’ most potent weapons, being capable of defeating Jedi as powerful as the one mentioned above, as well as one-shotting Aryn Leneer when she was defending against it"

Aryn is good, but thats because of her fighting Malgus. And if he can oneshot her, why is she good?


I’d also like to address this: 

BoD wrote wrote:"He has long been considered one of the greatest warriors in the Sith Empire, putting him in the same league as beings like Marr, whose abilities are “second to none”"

Note that while Malgus is one of the greatest, in an empire of countless sith that still could mean there are dozens if not hundreds in the same category. Even if it puts Malgus in “the same league” as Marr, you already explained that Marr is superior to him: “second to none”. 

The Zallow - Adraas comparison



BoD wrote wrote:"All of these feats are performed before the death of Eleena, which is described as being a huge power boost for him, with Malgus likening it to the difference between “drawing on the Force” and as if he actually “were the Force”, and residing in the “calm eye of a storm of hate”"
I’m not going to say there wasn’t any growth, but I again think its exaggerated. 

Your argument for a massive growth on Malgus’s part is his performances against Adraas. First Adraas pushing Malgus’s reserves, and then Malgus stomping him. There will be two main points why I disagree. 

1) Zallow vs Adraas

Deceived wrote wrote:"Malgus finally spotted Master Zallow ten paces away, whirling, spinning, his green blade a blur of precision and speed. One Sith warrior fell to him, another. Lord Adraas landed before him, trying to take Malgus's kill for himself. Adrass ducked low and slashed at Zallow's knees. Zallow leapt over the blow and unleashed a blast of energy that sent Adraas skidding on his backside across the hall."
In the attack on the jedi temple, we actually got to see Zallow and Adraas duel. If one can call it that. Zallow easily kills two sith warriors and without pause faces Adraas, defeating him in a single force attack while dodging his attack. The fact that Adraas wasn’t able to last even a second against Zallow doesn’t speak well for his abilities compared to Malgus. Of course this alone might not convince you. 


2) Malgus vs Adraas

This point will address the two confrontations the pair had.

Deceived wrote wrote:"Malgus tested Adraas’s strength."

"Malgus summoned a reserve of strength and pushed Adraas back a stride" 

In the first, they weren’t dueling, they were “testing” each other in a pure blade lock. Its not really representative of a duel. Malgus drawing on a reserve of strength (not his reserves, just a reserve) is just him drawing on his available force power, which meant he held back beforehand, as a “test”. Malgus adding part of his power already allowed him to overpower Adraas. 

The reason Malgus’s superiority is more apparent in their actual duel, is that Malgus doesn’t hold back at all. Angered and “not bothering with finesse”, he wanted to destroy Adraas and show his superiority. 

Deceived wrote wrote:"Malgus felt the hate pouring off Adraas, the power, but it paled in comparison to the rage and hate roiling in Malgus."

"He did not bother with finesse."

"You have foreseen it but you cannot stop it. You are a child, Adraas. And tonight you pay. "

So in the end, Adraas was always massively inferior to Malgus, Eleena’s death just allowed him to fully embrace his rage and hatred. Malgus did grow, but hardly an enormous amount.


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This is where the fun begins. My goal in this post is to show why Bastila is more than capable of beating Malgus both as a forceuser and a duelist. Although there are multiple ways to do so, I want to start by showcasing Bastila’s abilities before she turned. 



Limitations



First part of my case is that Bastila was emotionaly hindered and conflicted throughout Kotor, up until after she turned. 

Bastila Shan said wrote:“Every time I try to call on all my teachings to calm myself, they fail me.”

“I need to be away from this bond of ours. I need to weaken it.”

“But Malak must be stopped, my own feelings are nothing compared to that. Yet I know this could affect the sake of our mission if not resolved - I can’t let that happen.” 

“Malak has to be stopped. How can I do that if I let myself be blinded by my feelings for you?”

This is Bastila referring to her love for Revan. Clearly showing she’s unable to properly call upon the force and is emotionally conflicted.

There’s also these quotes: 

Jolee Bindo said wrote:"Remember the bond that was forged between you when she rekindled the spark that was your life. Through that bond she touched your memories, and also the echo of the dark taint within you."

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:and there is no telling how Bastila's Force bond with the Dark Lord would affect her.

Champions of the Force Preview 6 wrote wrote:Unfortunately, this intense awareness of the dark side, paired with her reckless nature, ultimately led to her being drawn into Darth Malak's control as his new apprentice.

Which state that in addition to being conflicted by her love for Revan, she also was being drawn to the darkside by the dark taint inside of him. So there were two things hindering her at once. 


Combat



Bastila was noted several times to be the perfect jedi, and the quotes often relate it directly to her power and skill. 

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote:Maybe the most heroic Jedi of her time, Bastila Shan was a Jedi exemplar.

Champions of the Force Preview 6 wrote:Bastila Shan: A brash, impulsive, and powerful Jedi,

SWTOR: Encyclopedia wrote wrote:Master Satele is heir to a line of powerful Jedi. She claims to be a descendant of the once-fallen hero Revan, and Bastila Shan, whose battle meditation skills were peerless. Though there is immense power in the Shan bloodline, there is also a streak of unorthodoxy

SWTOR Codex wrote wrote:Renowned for her wisdom and powerful connection to the Force, Master Satele Shan is the voice and conscience of the Jedi Order. She is a direct descendant of Bastila Shan, the legendary Jedi who battled Darth Revan centuries ago.

Knights of the Old Republic prima guide wrote wrote:Even in the dark halls where the Sith Lords gather, young Bastila is whispered to be a Jedi of note. Who knows the terrible cost of such dark praise?
This is especially impressive since jedi in the KOTOR era were particularly skilled in the force and lightsaber combat, even more so than clone wars jedi. (Presumably referring to average jedi, since Yoda is confirmed > any jedi before him). 

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:The many wars of this era compel large numbers of Jedi to become experts in lightsaber and Force-related combat. Some become masters on the battlefield; others become highly skilled duelists, able to battle dark Jedi and Sith in single combat.

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:Even more so than in the Clone Wars, these are the days of the Jedi in their prime. They do battle with the evil Sith, and defend the galaxy against the Mandalorian hordes.

To show just how impressive even LS Bastila was, we have her fighting Darth Bandon, despite him having the help of his boarding party, and managing to escape. This is noteworthy since A) Bastila already was affected by Revan’s dark taint. B) Bandon was Malak’s apprentice and Shadow Hand. 


As a Shadow Hand, Bandon is second only to Malak.

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:A Shadow Hand's expertise in cruelty, trickery, and the dark side are second only to the Master-for now.

This puts him above Uthar Wynn, head of the Korriban academy. The head of the academy is decided by skill and power, as seen by Wynn chasing out Jorak Uln and Yuthara Bann planning to kill Uthar for his position.

Uthar Wynn said wrote:"I strived many years to hone my power until I was able to drive out my predecessor and rule the academy." 

Yuthura Ban said wrote:"There you and I will be alone with him. The perfect time to, shall we say, arrange for a change in the academy's leadership?"

Therefore he is superior to Uln and Bann, since the former couldn’t beat him and the latter required the help of Revan to beat Wynn. 

As the two candidates in line to succeed Wynn, they’d both be above everyone else in the academy, including Sion, who’s even confirmed to study at the “feet” of Uln, despite being a Great Sith War veteran and trained as a jedi. 

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:The Sith students of Darth Revan and Darth Malak are many of the same Jedi Crusaders that once fought for the republic. Already proficient in the Jedi arts, these marauders acquire new nefarious talents studying at the feet of Headmaster Jorak Uln - one of Exar Kun's original Sith acolytes.

During the Dark Wars, surviving Sith students submit to the triumvirate.

After KOTOR, Sion became a leader in the triumvirate, which is attributed to skill with the blade. 

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:Meanwhile, Sith survivors wage civil war, culling the weak and electing leadership by the lightsaber's blade.
This puts him above the bladeborn and other sith masters. Sith masters were few in Revan’s empire, but all sith in the empire were noted to be masters of the force.

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:Dozens, if not hundreds of Sith apprentices learn the ways of the dark side of the Force, and a few even rise of the rank of Sith Master, training students of their own. With legions of armored troops spreading throughout the galaxy, all led by masters of the Force, the Sith Empire seems unstoppable.

The bladeborn are elite sith assassins who killed at least 10 jedi.

Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide wrote wrote:Traced to the Bladeborn, a Sith offshoot dedicated to sword mastery, these cortosis-faced weapons were given to “masterblades” who survived no less than 10 lightsaber-wielding warriors in combat.

Sith assassins use electrostaffs, so they’d be at a natural disadvantage. The assassins were trained by Revan and used the power of their targets against them.

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:"Established by Darth Revan "

"They drain the Force from their targets to augment their own powers"

These assassins were a “pivotal” tool for the sith triumvirate. Pivotal meaning something of “crucial importance”.  

Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide wrote wrote:the Sith Assassins become pivotal tools for the Sith Triumvirate.

So we have LS Bastila > hindered LS Bastila < Bandon + boarding party (consisting of sith and troopers) > Bandon > Uthar Wynn > Jorak Uln/Yuthara Bann > Sion > Sith masters > Bladeborn > sith assassins > KOTOR jedi > CW jedi.  

Which puts a pre-prime Bastila right next to the second-greatest sith in the sith Empire. 


Physicals



You claim Malgus will simply overpower Bastila. I believe she’s physically weaker, but she’s strong enough to hold him off and beat him by other factors. 

Augmentation. While physicals might provide an edge in some situations, force augmentation can make up for that. Since its basic I’ll give a few examples and if you need more tell me. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg

An old man holds bladelocks against someone who beat a vong, and a magically-enhanced warrior with one hand each. We also have Dooku vs Anakin (pre-rots), Ahsoka vs Grievous, etc. 

Then there’s physicals. The hindering factors apply for both points:


1) Bastila vs Malak

While a loss, Bastila showed capable of holding off Malak in lightsaber combat long enough for Revan and Carth to escape and take off with the Ebon Hawk. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLjd0XNsa4A  (roughly at 9 min)


Malak would have had significantly greater augmentation because of his established superiority in power, so Bastila would have to make up for both his superior physicalities and superior augmentation, while Malgus only has the former. 

Yuthara Ban said wrote:"You know the name? Malak is the strongest of us, and the strongest always rules."

2) Durability

After being captured by Malak, she was tortured by him for days, in which he repeatedly fired force lightning on her.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwbzyiUCb3U


Yet its specifically noted that the torture is not why she turned, but rather her exposure to the darkside through Revan and Malak, as well as her own mental state 



Champions of the Force Preview 6 wrote wrote:Unfortunately, this intense awareness of the dark side, paired with her reckless nature, ultimately led to her being drawn into Darth Malak's control as his new apprentice.


This is despite Malak being her confirmed superior, being superior to Darth Revan, and being on a darkside force nexus. 

Summary



- Malgus is physically stronger. But Bastila has fought stronger opponents before. 


- While Malgus is impressive, he’s not with Marr or Scourge. Bastila on the level of Bandon, who’s second only to Malak. She’s above almost everyone in her era, despite the jedi of the time being extraordinarily skilled and powerful. 


-Bastila tanked Malak’s lightning for days. The jedi Malgus beat weren’t too impressive. 


-The gap between Malgus/Kao is undetermined. Bastila scales massively over Uthar Wynn and sith who killed abnormally skilled 20 forceusers with electrostaffs.


-Bastila held off Malak in a duel (despite him being superior), and of fighting Bandon + an army. I don’t see why Malgus would be any worse. 

-All this is just a heavily hindered LS Bastila.
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