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Gaunter O'Dimm
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Darth Caedus vs Darish Vol vs Darth Krayt Empty Darth Caedus vs Darish Vol vs Darth Krayt

on January 28th 2020, 7:59 am
Caedus as of Invincible (at full health, obviously), Vol as of his fight with Abeloth, Krayt as of Apocalypse.
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on January 28th 2020, 8:27 am
Well Apocalypse Krayt has been debunked as being near Luke (he's not at his prime, the guy isn't PT Titan level), Caedus' antifeat galore exists, and Vol is rather unquantifiable bar Mnemotherapy. I'd give it to either Krayt or Vol though, Caedus can technically be argued to Workan level or the like, and Vol instantaneously curbs that.
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on January 28th 2020, 9:27 am
Caedus kills.
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on January 28th 2020, 9:28 am
Krayt or Vol
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on January 28th 2020, 9:31 am
@EmperorCaedus Based on what?
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on January 28th 2020, 9:48 am
Caedus' relativity to LotF Luke surpassing both Vol and Krayt.
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on January 28th 2020, 11:06 am
@EmperorCaedus Relativity my ass.
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on January 28th 2020, 2:48 pm
Krayt.
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on April 17th 2020, 6:08 am
Caedus is canonically superior.
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on April 17th 2020, 8:05 am
Vol obliterates.
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on April 17th 2020, 8:25 am
Krayt.
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on April 17th 2020, 3:18 pm
Caedus, considering he's canonically the strongest of the three via Blood Oath & shouldn't be terribly far below Krayt as a duelist.
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on April 18th 2020, 2:40 am
Krayt
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on April 18th 2020, 8:04 am
@Tondemonai wrote:Caedus, considering he's canonically the strongest of the three via Blood Oath & shouldn't be terribly far below Krayt as a duelist.

He has a more powerful military, yes.  

Vol isn't being considered in the quote, as he didn't exist as a character yet.  And Krayt probably isn't being considered in the text either seen as that particular cereal box quote came out before Krayt's feature in FOTJ.  

And Krayt is just holistically superior as well - the dark man who actually plagued Luke's dreams, as oppose to Caedus
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on April 18th 2020, 3:34 pm
@Ziggy wrote:
He has a more powerful military, yes.  

I don't see this as the case. Mentioning the forces of Darth Caedus before doesn't make Caedus the most powerful of the Sith Lords only militarily. 

Vol isn't being considered in the quote, as he didn't exist as a character yet.  And Krayt probably isn't being considered in the text either seen as that particular cereal box quote came out before Krayt's feature in FOTJ.  

Shedding limitations is not an argument, it is an ideology. You can't just slap shedding limitations on it and be done with it. I don't care whether Vol was a character, or how it came before Krayt's feature. What then?

And Krayt is just holistically superior as well - the dark man who actually plagued Luke's dreams, as oppose to Caedus

If we are harping on holistics here, I'd say being the one powerful enough to change the current, and release Abeloth from her shackles is more impressive than anything FOTJ Krayt has done.

"I didn't ask you to kill anyone this time," Luke said, stopping beside her, on the side opposite Taalon.

"No, but it is the Jedi who make it necessary. Because of your nephew the Current has changed." Out of the corner of her eye, Abeloth caught Taalon's gaze-and held it. "Because of what Jacen Solo did, the Throne of Balance will be claimed by a usurper."

Furthermore, Krayt being the Dark Man was a retcon, meaning it wasn't the original intention to have Krayt as the Dark Man, which to me seems holistically inferior. And it doesn't get any points concerning authorial intent, which is primarily what you are appealing to.
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on April 18th 2020, 5:31 pm
EmperorCaedus wrote:
I don't see this as the case. Mentioning the forces of Darth Caedus a couple lines before doesn't make Caedus the most powerful of the Sith Lords militarily. 


Because power is a term that refers to more than just the Force,  a truth applicable for both military leaders and Sith Lords.  For this case, the context of the paragraph refers to a war with Caedus, a war not limited to defeating him in personal combat.  Of course we should consider not just what he can do magically, but also the artillery under his thumb.  Don't take my word for it, LFL recognised "most powerful" quotes in this light too.


Question : 


"Say if we were having a debate on who was the most powerful sith ever, and a random sourcebook states that Sidious is, would that make it absolute, and render the discussion over, or would is still only be a matter of opinion and still up for debate??

Leland Chee :


"There's always going to be room for interpretation and debate. Is the power being measured referring to his mastery over the dark side of the Force, the governmental powers he wields as Emperor, or some combination of both?"

No need to be so late to the party. 


Shedding limitations is not an argument, it is an ideology.


Indeed.  

An appropriate one at that.   


You can't just slap shedding limitations on it and be done with it. 


I don't see why not, unless you have a better way of handling the continuity?  

It just doesn't sit well that a tertiary source, bound to it's previous out-of-universe knowledge of the lore, would apply to characters that come after the fact.  For example, if we take "power" to only mean the Force, as you're doing, and then bind all quotes to the unwritten characters of the future,  Exar Kun would be powerful than Post Nathema Vitiate as per The Complete Star Wars  Encyclopaedia.  Not really fair given Vitiate wasn't even a concept until years later. 


I don't care whether Vol was a character, or how it came before Krayt's feature. What then?


Okay, well the question is whether you "don't care" because your ideology is best, the most intellectually honest way to handle continuity...  Or does it just suite the current argument that you, EmperorCaedus, is making in favour of Darth Caedus  Darth Caedus vs Darish Vol vs Darth Krayt 3344068304


If we are harping on holistics here, I'd say being the one powerful enough to change the current, and release Abeloth from her shackles is more impressive than anything FOTJ Krayt has done.


This is apparently something all Ang Tii monks have to be wary of when Flow Walking.  Power level is inconsequential.   


Furthermore, Krayt being the Dark Man was a retconmeaning it wasn't the original intention to have Krayt as the Dark Man, which to me seems holistically inferior. And it doesn't get any points concerning authorial intent, which is primarily what you are appealing to.


My ethos doesn't care about the opinions of any one author, but the body of works and what's being portrayed collectively by them.  And in this case,  Krayt is the dark man and Caedus is not.  Caedus was distracting NJO and the wider galaxy from the "true sith".  This is how the continuity played out in the end.   Whether it was always intended to be or a case of tweaking the story plan doesn't change that.


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on April 18th 2020, 7:44 pm
Sidious's accolades refer to his Empire Darth Caedus vs Darish Vol vs Darth Krayt 3344068304
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on May 7th 2020, 5:26 am
Caedus is already stated to be superior to both. Krayt is also stated to be superior to Vol.

Caedus > Krayt > Vol
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on May 10th 2020, 5:57 pm
Probably Vol


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on May 10th 2020, 6:16 pm
Vol mind rapes.
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