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Seturna
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 3:32 am
Morals on



-Prime versions
Nute_Chethray
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 8:26 am
Probably Caedus
IG
IG
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 8:27 am
Arcann because better scaling.
BreakofDawn
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 8:29 am
Arcann has this. Better scaling and feats.
Meatpants
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 9:21 am
Caedus.
MasterCilghal
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 9:55 am
@Meatpants wrote:Caedus.
Why? It seems strange coming from you.
Decaf_Beverages
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:34 pm
Prime Kun? Ok, so using post Ritual, Pre Wall of Light Kun........

Kun has a decent fight with Arcann, and Caedus dies as a side effect, or is casually one-shot with Black Lightning after Arcann is dealt with
The lord of hunger
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:38 pm
caedus


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KingofBlades
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:39 pm
Decaf you think the sub Malak being is above Arcann? Interesting
Decaf_Beverages
Decaf_Beverages

Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:43 pm
Quote shouldn't apply to Spirit Kun
IG
IG
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:45 pm
Physical though. Prime Kun (living) has the quote applying, and that’s the thread’s character applicable.
KingofBlades
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:45 pm
That's fair, but the power increase Kun experienced as a result of the ritual is completely unquantifiable. I don't think its enough to overcome the enormous power gap between Arcann and Physical Kun.
Decaf_Beverages
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 6:54 pm
IG you realize it says "Prime Versions" not "Prime living versions"

Your right in that its completely unquantifiable, but it was powerful enough to tank the combined force energy of the entire Jedi Order and additionally was the result of absorbing the force energy of at minimum thousands of Massassi force users. 

Given that this should in theory be essentially a scuffed version of the Nathema ritual, and the enormous amp that we see that Vitiate got from it, assuming that Kun started out stronger than Vitiate did, I think the amp should be enough to allow him to seriously contend with Arcann using his superior mastery in areas like Sorcery
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:01 pm
I mean, typically Kun is referred to as “JA Kun”!
Dolph
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:02 pm
Caedus murks both.
KingofBlades
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:07 pm
IG there's likely a massive power difference between Spirit Kun before and after the Jedi WoL. So JA Kun isn't reflective of peak Spirit Kun
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:08 pm
Fair.
BreakofDawn
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:32 pm
EmperorCaedus wrote:Caedus murks both.
Imagine saying this with a straight face.
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:32 pm
Caedus gonna die now that DC’s gone.
Decaf_Beverages
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:49 pm
EmperorCaedus wrote:Caedus murks both.

Is this before or after he dies to Kun's black lightning secret technique
BreakofDawn
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on January 25th 2020, 7:53 pm
@Decaf_Beverages wrote:
EmperorCaedus wrote:Caedus murks both.

Is this before or after he dies to Kun's black lightning secret technique
Depends. Did Aurra Sing use this power against him? Because if not, Exar wins.
The Fallen Knight
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on December 7th 2020, 5:27 pm
Arcann
HeartoftheForce
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on December 7th 2020, 5:33 pm
Arcann defeats Kun. Caedus gets onehsot by a stray energy blast before he realizes what's happening
KingKopecz
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on December 7th 2020, 5:49 pm
Arcann
LadyKulvax
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Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann Empty Re: Darth Caedus vs Exar kun vs Arcann

on December 7th 2020, 7:52 pm
Exar Kun is a tier above either. Arcann is quite clearly capped by majorly pre-KOTET prime Outlander.

Caedus just was never as strong as someone like an Exar Kun figure.

Prime Kun absorbed the Force power and life force of thousands of Massassi and Dark Jedi to the point where he went from not being able to stand a chance of facing the combined Jedi Order stated to be in the tens of thousands; including Thon who caged Ambria and the likes of Nomi Sunrider, to being able to tank a combined 'salvo' of light side energy from all of them. Straight up stated to be beyond the order's ability to 'defeat entirely' and is noted to be Kun's proudest moment by Kun himself. That spirit Kun did so is still applicable to physical Kun as it was physical Kun who absorbed the Massassi before powering the ritual to transcend into a spirit that could traverse the cosmos without need of an anchor and retain the power he had in life.

That's genuinely a level of power no one bar pooled Vitiate could replicate among SWTOR.

Before Malak quote spam comes in as a 'reply', I'd note that not only does SWTOR:E hold objectively inferior ancients to Exar Kun, above Malak. But even 2014 Fact Files holds Exar Kun as the strongest dark-sider of the 'new order' or new Sith Empire, which is noted to continue through to the Triumvirate.

Moreover Exar Kun is pretty much undeniably Sheev tier given the no less than eight statements either comparing them or stating Kun's superiority. Mere handwaving via ROTS Sheev quotes that are not only individually less canonically standing than the majority of Kun's but aren't capable of outright retconning harder direct statements.

Nice thread, Kun wrecks.
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