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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 2:15 pm
Both at base, Vader as of ROTJ.

BreakofDawn
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December 30th 2019, 2:16 pm
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Vader handily.
KingofBlades
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 2:16 pm
Malak
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 2:22 pm
Malak annihilates.
The lord of hunger
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 2:25 pm
vader sweeps even anakin could do it too


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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 2:31 pm
Vader slaughters
NevesYtneves
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 2:31 pm
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Vader.
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:12 pm
@The lord of hunger wrote:vader sweeps even anakin could do it too
Anakin >>> Vader lmao
BreakofDawn
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:12 pm
Based off nothing but conjecture.
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:13 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:Based off nothing but conjecture.
BoROTS Anakin < ROTJ Vader?
BreakofDawn
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:15 pm
Yep.


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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:15 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:Except he's not.
You're confusing me right now.
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:18 pm
In power, AOTC Anakin < pre-ESB Vader ~ ROTS Anakin < ESB Vader < ROTJ Vader << KFV. 

In skill, AOTC Anakin < ANH Vader << ESB Vader < ROTS Anakin << KFV.
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:20 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:In power, AOTC Anakin < pre-ESB Vader ~ ROTS Anakin < ESB Vader < ROTJ Vader << KFV. 

In skill, AOTC Anakin < ANH Vader << ESB Vader < ROTS Anakin << KFV.
You realize that per G-Canon, Vader doesn't grow from ANH to ESB?
BreakofDawn
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December 30th 2019, 3:21 pm
When was that ever said?
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December 30th 2019, 3:33 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:When was that ever said?
"Luke is a 2, Vader is a 4", etc.
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:41 pm
Can Malk Even Hurt Vader?
BreakofDawn
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December 30th 2019, 3:43 pm
First, that was an unofficial idea they came up with to explain the writing process as they expanded the abilities of the Force. It wasn't a concrete statement, nor one issued by Lucas. It also has never been mentioned beyond this, so for all we know it came from Leigh Brackett and was later tossed out the window when Lucas began rewriting. It is also from the early stages of the planning, when accepted ideas were just as easily tossed aside (Lucas didn't even finalise most of the details until the final plot). Putting stock in this when it's contradicted by other sources isn't a good idea.

Second, that was contradicted by the film, novel, and the majority of the material that's come out since. There's also the radio drama pegging ESB Luke as more of a challenge to Vader than Ben.

Third, that says absolutely nothing about his ESB self. The actual quote is this:

The idea of Vader using telekinetic powers during his fight with Luke was created during story meetings. There was concern, however, that the audience might think back to the first film and wonder why Vader didn't use all his powers on Ben; but this was easily explained by the fact that Ben was probably stronger than Vader. George Lucas and Leigh Brackett also discussed the different levels of the Force; maybe Ben was a six, Vader was a four, Luke is now at level two.


It's talking about ANH, not ESB. There are about four other quotes I can pull up directly contradicting this, at least two of which were either from Lucas himself or from the official Star Wars Insider. Note that it also says "was" a four, in contrast to Luke's "is now" a level two. Different timeframes.


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lorenzo.r.2nd
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Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader Empty Re: Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader

December 30th 2019, 3:44 pm
Him being far more formidable contradicts that. As for skill, I still don't get why Anakin is so far above him, but alright
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December 30th 2019, 3:46 pm
@BreakofDawn wrote:In power, AOTC Anakin < pre-ESB Vader ~ ROTS Anakin < ESB Vader < ROTJ Vader << KFV. 

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@BreakofDawn wrote:Based off nothing but conjecture.

Would you like to debate that?
lorenzo.r.2nd
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December 30th 2019, 3:47 pm
Low key wanna see that TBH
BreakofDawn
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December 30th 2019, 3:50 pm
Not really, you're too good of a debater for me to go with the usual half-arsed response style. Maybe once my essays are done.
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December 30th 2019, 3:50 pm
That's fine, though I wouldn't say it's "conjecture" to put ROTS Anakin above Vader.


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BreakofDawn
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December 30th 2019, 3:53 pm
I wasn't talking about ROTS Anakin. I was talking about AOTC. I assumed IG was talking about that.
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December 30th 2019, 4:06 pm
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