Where Ahsoka Tano stands

Force powers: Prime ahsoka hasn't used the force all that much. Considering that anyone ahsoka is being compared to could ragdoll inqusitors, we really only have two force feats, pushing vader and deflecting sidious's flames. These feats alone however is enough to say she is extremely powerful. Could kenobi or maul do it?(non canon comics are non canon) Doubtful,

Vader is extremely powerful, he is canonically 80% as powerful as sidious.

has casually flung tie fighters with ease, has force choked people through holograms,

has used the force to survive being trapped under a collapsed palace for weeks,

has flung enemy aircraft while actively enganged in dog fights,

so force pushing him requires a lot of power.

As vader and ahsoka both landed force pushes on each other, is it possible they equals? Its possible but with only one feat from ahsoka, its not something i can say with any degree of confidence.

What we know is she is at lease as powerful as kenobi or maul,

possibly as powerful as the likes of windu,

and possibly, but but unlikely as powerful as vader.

Lets take the middle,and put her at the level of mace and dooku. Due to more feats, for now she would be a bit below dooku or windu, though not necessarily outclassed and if we see more of her(which we should), her being placed higher is not out of the question.

Dueling abilities:

Now vader is stated to be in his prime. So ahsoka contending with vader is impressive.

Lets take a look into why. In my opinion,Vader is essentially a more advanced dooku. Like dooku, vader became the definitive master in a form and found ways to combat every single other form and compensate for the weaknesses of that form.

What sets them apart is that vader implemented all the lightsaber forms in a hybrid technique.

I can't think of anyone at the top of my head who did this.

Vader also was able to utilize his armor and superior strength while compensating for his speed disadvantage and his one weakness in his armor, his resperator.

Vader could deal with multiple opponents and also could deal with single opponents extremely well.

He has dueled up to 7 jedi

and has beaten the likes of obi wan kenobi, the definitive master of soresu,

and luke skywalker. In fact the tfa novelization states he only lost to luke in rotj because he was holding back.

This category is where ahsoka is edged out. While he was unable to land hits on her, and she landed two physical strikes on him, one of those was on a distracted vader, and the other had no effect on him. Vader was pushing her back throughout the fight.

However, ahsoka's ability to contend with vader puts her at an extremely high skill level.

I see her dueling abilities as comparable to anakin and dooku.

Both would lose duels with vader, but both would avoid being easily overpowered.

Dueling wise i could see kenobi matching vader with skill, but his inferior physique would give vader the edge as it did vs ahsoka.

So what is my final assesment? well i think she is between a tier 8 and 9. She is outmatched by vader, but is not outclassed. She is above the likes of kenobi, but he'd give her a really good fight

MasterofIllusions wrote:@BreakofDawn i find your lack of knowledge disturbing.

WHAT? Feloni never said that rebels vader was prime vader, it was pablo hidalgo. Feloni has said that rebels kenobi  (2 years before anh) and rebels maul are "very good swordsmen" in comparison to their tcw counterparts, so ahsoka gets scaling from tpm and tcw maul. This isn't canon only, this is composite Vader.

Vorpal Blade wrote:Cringe

StrangerThingsFan77 wrote:

Vorpal Blade wrote:Cringe

BreakofDawn wrote:Actually, it's not. Ahsoka barely deflected those flames with the help of Ezra which Sheev was conjuring from Coruscant through a portal he couldn't even really enter through at this point. Chances are the flames were at barely a fraction of their full strength.

”BreakofDawn” wrote:As for the Vader feat, she surprised him and exploited his overconfidence.

”BreakofDawn” wrote:She catches him when he's unbalanced and from the side, and even then she only moves him a few feet.

Spoiler:

”BreakofDawn” wrote:Vader outright overpowers her with an effortless Force push that sends her flying over the ledge and which took her a few minutes to recover from.

”BreakofDawn” wrote:Maul is considerably past his prime at this point, as is Ben.

”BreakofDawn” wrote:It does, but Rebels' Vader's lightsaber abilities are virtually impossible to quantify.

”BreakofDawn” wrote:She had trouble with the Fifth Brother and Seventh Sister.

”BreakofDawn” wrote:She was clearly struggling to hold off Vader, and her Force feats are utterly lackluster.

"This duel was very different from their last. Obi-Wan was older and weaker while Vader was even stronger, fueled by hatred and thirst for revenge." -- Jedi vs Sith (2016)

BreakofDawn wrote:

MasterofIllusions wrote:@BreakofDawn i find your lack of knowledge disturbing.

WHAT? Feloni never said that rebels vader was prime vader, it was pablo hidalgo. Feloni has said that rebels kenobi  (2 years before anh) and rebels maul are "very good swordsmen" in comparison to their tcw counterparts, so ahsoka gets scaling from tpm and tcw maul. This isn't canon only, this is composite Vader.

1. It's not "lack of knowledge", so please don't patronise me. It's critical analysis.
2. Pablo's influence AFAIK is limited.
3. You can be "very good" and still inferior to a past iteration of yourself.
4. Then you are way off the mark for Legends Vader.

"The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see another prolonged lightsaber fight."

Latham2000 wrote:Canon source saying that Ben declined:

"This duel was very different from their last. Obi-Wan was older and weaker while Vader was even stronger, fueled by hatred and thirst for revenge." -- Jedi vs Sith (2016)

DarthAnt66 wrote:@King Joker: Great post.

@Latham2000: Hm, that doesn't seem to add up. Jedi vs Sith is an in-universe Legends source, and the "even stronger" quote is from a Legends Scholastic kids book. It's possible that they reprinted that book again (though I would need proof of that), but I wouldn't say such should be taken irrecoverably binding regardless.

As the Rebels escape, Ben and Vader are locked in an epic clash of the force! Though they are now both older and damaged compared to their former selves, it is still a sight to behold! Luke can do nothing but stare in awe. wrote:-- Adventures: The Daring Escape!

DarthAnt66 wrote:Hm, I guess that one checks out. Link to the book that's from?

I can’t seem to remember an instance when someone engaged with Palpatine wasn’t “barely” defending themselves against him. Those at the business end of Palpatine’s powers are lucky to be defending themselves at all and are never in their comfort range as Force wielders. And something to point out regarding Ezra’s aid during that encounter, which I think is visually clear, is that Ezra only deflected the sorcery that was already dissipated by Ahsoka:



Ahsoka took the brunt of the attack, so I really question how beneficial Ezra’s presence really was.

The claim that Palpatine’s sorcery was “barely at a fraction” of its full strength has literally nothing to substantiate it with. Nothing. So I would like to see at least a fraction of evidence for the claim before you continue to propagate it by a vague hunch.

Who was more caught off-guard in that initial bout, I wonder? Darth Vader, who developed Ahsoka’s training himself and had an intimate familiarity with her fundamental abilities? Or Ahsoka Tano, who entered the fight with no familiarity of her opponent beyond knowing he is a powerful Sith Lord?

How do you know that Vader was overconfident?  And your use of the word “exploited” seems to imply that Ahsoka was aware of Vader’s arrogant mentality and used it to her advantage. Quite the claims, I must say, though unfortunately, they're both baseless.

You’re on a roll here, BoD.  Are you meaning to tell me that Ahsoka successfully unbalanced Darth Vader and legitimately executed a Force push on him?  

Well, you’d be only half-right, because Vader was not unbalanced and was not caught from the side. He was steadily footed and Ahsoka’s Force push caught him directly in the torso, lol.

(Seriously, I love how you word these critiques of Ahsoka’s performance as if some invisible entity was manipulating Darth Vader the entire fight in order to allow Ahsoka to take advantage of Vader).

You keep inserting weird adjectives to describe the demeanor of the characters in these fights. Vader’s Force push was no more “effortless” than Ahsoka’s from all we could tell, lmao. And unfortunately for Ahsoka, Vader wasn’t standing near a ledge in the first five seconds of the fight. 

The only quote for Maul being past his prime is from Matt Martin, and even he doesn’t say the gap is “considerable,” so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. I believe quotes of Ben’s decline are also non-existent, so I would prefer it if you could substantiate that a bit.

Mm, not really. A short time after RotS, Vader is pushing back a former Jedi Council member (Eeth Koth) in a duel, which gives us a ballpark of where Vader is operating over a decade before his duel with Ahsoka.

Lol, besides the obvious authorial intent in that duel, Ahsoka is so unthreatened by the end of the (brief) fight that she literally deactivates her lightsabers and proeeds to physically and telekinetically disarm and incapacitate the Seventh Sister. The implication that there was any degree of parity between the duo and Ahsoka is patently absurd.

Ahsoka during the Empire era was an elite player that held her own against some of the most powerful dark siders in Star Wars. Although her Force feats don’t usually come in the way of the typically lauded “picking up heavy things,” I think her ability to hang with Darth Vader, who has a litany of powerful telekinetic feats under his belt (including liberally using his powers in fights against Jedi, such as Eeth Koth, Kanan Jarrus, and Ezra Bridger), implies her power much better than lifting any heavy object would.