Vong Krayt vs Darth Vader

Basileus wrote:

SithSauce wrote:

Basileus wrote:1. Lucas wasn’t referring to power
2. Pretty sure the 80 percent crap was before the PT was even made. Even then, it’s a pretty vague quote to use as a power base. And again, Vader hasn’t demonstrated he’s anywhere near that level - it’s all hype, but when he has to prove it, he’s lacklustre as hell

1. What do you mean? The interview in it's context was about how Vader failed to live up to his true potential. Lucas was saying how he was on his way to surpassing Sidious, but Kenobi screwed that up on Mustafar. From then on he was not as strong as Palpatine, he was like Maul or Dooku. He is clearly referring to power here.
2. G-canon hype you mean?

1. He was like Dooku and Maul - less powerful than the emperor - that does NOT mean Lucas was trying to say Vader was as powerful as the other two.
2. Can someone verify that the quote was OT era?

Basileus wrote:Yeah, read the sources on the fight. Even Vader himself admits Luke challenged him. As hidalgo said, Lucas might explain it as being the will of the story; but from a logical viewpoint Vader is a shadow of his former self. Vader was equaled in his prime by a guy with a year or so worth of training, mostly by himself. Yeah it was Luke, but Anakin, who had at least as much force potential was trained as a full Jedi for how much longer.

SithSauce wrote: Even when Luke hits him on the shoulder, he makes a goofy sound implying he wasn't taking the fight seriously

NotAA3 wrote:@SithSauce We've had several discussions on Luke vs Vader and every one has ended with you not responding and then repeating the same debunked gibberish in another thread. Just concede that Luke canonically put up a good fight against Vader in ESB.

NotAA3 wrote:No, he put up a good fight for the whole engagement. Taking the exact moment Vader won and ignoring the rest of the fight is a faulty argument.

Basileus wrote:This straight up refusal of facts.

SithSauce wrote:

Basileus wrote:This straight up refusal of facts.

Say's the one who refuses to accept that Vader is 20% less of Sidious's power just because they think it somehow hurts their precious scaling  

KingofBlades wrote:

SithSauce wrote:

Basileus wrote:This straight up refusal of facts.

Say's the one who refuses to accept that Vader is 20% less of Sidious's power just because they think it somehow hurts their precious scaling  

I hope you realize Vader being 80% of Sidious means absolutely nothing.

Vader was holding back. He was never going to go all out on his son. The entire time he was toying with him. Even when Luke hits him on the shoulder, he makes a goofy sound, implying he wasn't taking the fight seriously. And as soon as he gets hit, he cuts the crap and chops his hand off.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:

Vader was holding back. He was never going to go all out on his son. The entire time he was toying with him. Even when Luke hits him on the shoulder, he makes a goofy sound, implying he wasn't taking the fight seriously. And as soon as he gets hit, he cuts the crap and chops his hand off.

Screenshotted this gem.

Also, regarding the 80% argument just examine the context, the intention isn't to hype Vader up, nor is that particularly difficult to decipher from reading the damn quote. We have no reference for what it means or any way to quantify it. Lucas simply selected a number to display that Vader is weaker than Sheev, it's that simple. Lucas himself doesn't even suggest it's concrete, hence the use of "maybe" when making the assertion. The fact that this argument still exists is idiotic.