Valkorion Vs. Irek Ismaren (Amped)

Rules 

• Bloodlust is allowed
  
• Valkorion is from Knights of the Fallen Empire
  
• Irek is from Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand 
  
• Irek has the amp
  

Who would win?

The God Emperor wrote:Irek has the amp

Makes sense

Nyax

Rules 

• Morals off
  
• Everyone is prime 
  

Who would win?

Ismaren stomps

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https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t2851-valkorion-vs-irek-ismaren-amped?

Valkorion one-shots his opponent with his signature Force Blast or expression of power:



"A charged up powerful attack that utterly annihilates anything it touches."

Range = ~1000 meters

One of his concealed talents.

Mr. Irek... Poor thing... AMPED or not, he is completely outclassed in this contest.

When Valkorion is dead serious and prepared, he one-shots a WORLD let alone a Force-user.

S_W_LeGenD wrote:Valkorion one-shots his opponent with his signature Force Blast or expression of power:



"A charged up powerful attack that utterly annihilates anything it touches."

Range = ~1000 meters

One of his concealed talents.

Mr. Irek... Poor thing... AMPED or not, he is completely outclassed in this contest.

When Valkorion is dead serious and prepared, he one-shots a WORLD let alone a Force-user.

Valkorion can't one-shot this guy unless you think that Valkorion is well above Luke.

The Rich Man wrote:

S_W_LeGenD wrote:Valkorion one-shots his opponent with his signature Force Blast or expression of power:



"A charged up powerful attack that utterly annihilates anything it touches."

Range = ~1000 meters

One of his concealed talents.

Mr. Irek... Poor thing... AMPED or not, he is completely outclassed in this contest.

When Valkorion is dead serious and prepared, he one-shots a WORLD let alone a Force-user.

Valkorion can't one-shot this guy unless you think that Valkorion is well above Luke.

Luke Skywalker was in JOBBING frame-of-mind when he was up against Lord Nyax. He was AFRAID of employing his powers to FULL extent because he felt that he would succumb to the Dark Side again.

Kindly check the following thread to understand the bigger picture: https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t577p100-top-fifteen-tournament-2-palpatine

Reasonable explanation by member Azronger about why Luke wasn't able to do well against Lord Nyax who in turn was alluded to have become the most powerful DARK JEDI of his era:

Bhindi said, "It appears that after leaving Belsavis, he and his mother came to Coruscant and hid here... and by 'here' I mean in this very facility. His mother carefully Monitored his progress in the Force, training him so that he'd be the most powerful Dark Jedi in existence, and Save him medical treatments to make him much bigger, more imposing, more physically powerful. She also arranged to bring in the ysalamiri to keep him hidden as his Presence in the Force grew stronger."

Taken from Enemy Lines - Rebel Stand

The problem with numerous respect threads these days is that there is not much focus on the CONTEXT behind accomplishments and failures. I am attempting to fix this problem in mine.

Most of the respect threads are not a realistic take on respective characters unfortunately - FAILURES are intentionally concealed in such blogs.

Valkorion is not a Jedi and nor a Sith - his powers approached new heights after consuming Ziost which in itself is an unmatched showing with the powers of the dark side. His casual expression of power leveled the entire force of Knights of Zakuul near the Gravestone and his Force Storm inflicted so many casualties in the surroundings that the entire shipping activity came to a complete halt in the region, and these weren't normal ships but those of smugglers (fully armed and capable). That his son was able to withstand such power, is testament to his blood and raw power which was without any doubt above that of Revan (Reborn) who in turn is easily YODA TIER. Arcann is not a Jedi and nor a Sith either. This was a new faction of Force-users.

Lord Nyax's game was over when the Vong arrived in Force to deal with him. He attempted to counter them with telekinesis but it didn't work.

Valkorion have many powers under his belt and one of these is his signature FORCE BLAST which is clearly stated to utterly annihilates anything it touches - just because this application is not shown in a cinematic does not imply that the description is meaningless (it was fed in the game code for a reason). It is what it is, and it suggest that anything will be TOAST in a single blast no matter what.

The mighty Exar Kun one-shotted Force ghost of Freedon Nadd with a far less capable expression of FORCE BLAST which too he could only unleash though a powerful artifact. Exar Kun also destroyed a gigantic creature with this application. These feats do show how dangerous Force Blasts were, and Valkorion's is on another level as per the description.

One of the codex entries of SWTOR make it clear that Valkorion is not a Nihilist by nature, that he will not ABUSE his powers to eradicate everything material or immaterial around him. He enjoy feeding on the pain, suffering and life-force of others around him because he becomes more powerful in this manner.

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

The Rich Man wrote:

S_W_LeGenD wrote:Valkorion one-shots his opponent with his signature Force Blast or expression of power:



"A charged up powerful attack that utterly annihilates anything it touches."

Range = ~1000 meters

One of his concealed talents.

Mr. Irek... Poor thing... AMPED or not, he is completely outclassed in this contest.

When Valkorion is dead serious and prepared, he one-shots a WORLD let alone a Force-user.

Valkorion can't one-shot this guy unless you think that Valkorion is well above Luke.

Luke Skywalker was in JOBBING frame-of-mind when he was up against Lord Nyax. He was AFRAID of employing his powers to FULL extent because he felt that he would succumb to the Dark Side again.

Kindly check the post of member Quorian Debatist to understand the bigger picture: https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t1286-top-fifteen-tournament-4-irek-ismaren#25465

Much CONTEXT and DEPTH in his post about why Luke wasn't able to do well against Lord Nyax who in turn was simply noted to be one of the most powerful dark Jedi of the era.

Valkorion is not a Jedi and nor a Sith - his powers approached new heights after consuming Ziost which in itself is an unmatched showing with his powers in the dark side. His casual expression of power leveled the entire force of Knights of Zakuul near the Gravestone and his Force Lightning Storm inflicted so many casualties in the surroundings that the entire shipping activity come to a complete halt in the region, and these weren't normal ships but those of smugglers.

Valkorion have many powers under his belt and one of these is his signature FORCE BLAST which is clearly stated to utterly annihilates anything it touches - just because it is not shown in an animation does not imply that the description is meaningless. It is what it is.



The mighty Exar Kun one-shotted Force ghost of Freedon Nadd with a far less capable expression of FORCE BLAST which too he could only unleash though a powerful artifact.


One of the codex entries of SWTOR make it clear that Valkorion is not a Nihilist by nature, that he will not ABUSE his powers to eradicate everything material or immaterial around him. He enjoy feeding on the pain, suffering and life-force of others around him because he becomes more powerful in this manner.

Nyax was stated to be superior to Luke, Tahiri and Mara Jade in power. Even if Luke was jobbing, he still had his full power. Nyax also destroyed multiple mataloks while constantly losing power. When did Valkorion do something like this?

The Rich Man wrote:Nyax was stated to be superior to Luke, Tahiri and Mara Jade in power. Even if Luke was jobbing, he still had his full power. Nyax also destroyed multiple mataloks while constantly losing power. When did Valkorion do something like this?

Following statement:

And he was tired of these creatures. They were weaker than he, but so stubborn. Even inventive.

From (Star Wars: Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand)

THAT was his own perception of things.

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NO! When you are JOBBING, you are not actually doing your best to win but in the act of FACILITATING others. Luke could just be making sure that his allies do not FALL in the battle. He was not opening himself to the Force to the extent he needed to overwhelm Lord Nyax because of his self-imposed psychological constraints at the time. Frame-of-mind is everything in this matter.

When you have doubts about yourself, you are unlikely to succeed. You will not achieve big with this kind of mindset. You will get your *** handed back to you by a seemingly very challenging opponent, or outclassed by another in a contest. This LESSON is valid for dealing with real-life situations as well.

WE have seen beforehand what Luke could really do when he was in the frame-of-mind to achieve. He managed to disarm Palpatine in a duel (better than Yoda?) and he also managed to manipulate a singularity created by Dovin Basals in a battle to the advantage of his camp (a feat which only Kyp Durron was able to replicate in another battle; emphasis on the frame-of-mind part once again).

Lord Nyax was very powerful without any doubt, but superior to Luke as well? Is Lord Nyax the most powerful Force-user ever?

Several years after Lord Nyax, Luke managed to defeat UnuThul in single combat who in turn was siphoning life-force of a huge number of Killiks to fuel his power at the time. The shift was sudden when Luke rooted himself into the heart of the Force or something on these lines (a marked shifted in his frame-of-mind actually; and then UnuThul was on the receiving end afterwards and the duel did not last long either).

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Valkorion one-shotted scores of starships of smugglers (some really big ones) while subjecting Arcann to a Force Storm via the body of The Outlander (his expression of power expanded to such an extent that seemingly stray bolts brought the shipping activity of the entire region to a complete halt; significant collateral damage was recorded by observing droids). And Valkorion was actually compromised in this fight because he was residing in the body of The Outlander and this body was not suited for his powers and would have crumbled under pressure (Valkorion was risking killing The Outlander with his significant expressions of power). Arcann also noted as much and conveyed this reality to Vaylin that their father was compromised under the circumstances; they finally have an opening to exploit to their advantage (i.e. kill The Outlander).

To their dismay, Valkorion was slowly but surely transforming The Outlander from within...

Key takeaway or insinuation from that demonstration of power while compromised is that if Valkorion actually had a body suited for his powers, he was capable of one-shotting an entire fleet of the Republic (if one was standing in his way), and would have overwhelmed/defeated/killed Arcann of-course.

Yes, Lord Nyax was chugging debris at those incoming starships; debris did the damage. His own energies didn't.

Valkorion is on another level in comparison to Lord Nyax, my friend.

nyax stomps lol at the wank above

The lord of hunger wrote:nyax stomps lol at the wank above

Then counter it.

The lord of hunger wrote:nyax stomps lol at the wank above

No, he does not. Lord Nyax's self-fellatio thoughts are irrelevant and not valid form of evidence. Anybody can think much of himself when drunk in power unless he has to prove himself. Did he actually split Coruscant into two when the Vong arrived in force?

Valkorion is FAR MORE powerful than Lord Nyax as apparent from just one parallel that the former could one-shot an entire fleet of big ships with his powers (assuming suitable body) while the latter could not even in his AMPLIFIED condition.

Lord Nyax did manage to bring down some big ships but his methods were crude and inefficient (chugging debris towards ships?); he was EXPOSING himself to firepower in the process. His GAME WAS OVER no matter what.

Valkorion's command of the Force is on another level in comparison. He would simply unleash a Force Storm and blanket an entire fleet of ships with it from afar. GAME OVER for the ships actually. This is the measure of his power.

Valkorion's methods are brilliant, efficient and very effective (potent). No need for chugging huge amount of debris towards incoming ships and exposing oneself to their firepower in the process in his case.

There is no explanation, context and depth to suggest otherwise. Valkorion is too powerful; he could one-shot a WORLD if dead serious let alone Lord Nyax. Valkorion is noted to have single greatest display of power under his belt. Not much to argue here - a matter of common sense only.

The arguments in support of Lord Nyax are like expecting a DOG to beat a GIGANTIC DINOSAUR (Argentinosaurus) in a FIGHT. Poor dog will be crushed within seconds or less.

OR

Can you wrestle a Blue Whale with your own physical strength? It can/will kill you with a single hit just by accident.

Valkorion, good or great fight. Valk has a small power edge and greater knowledge, mastery, and esoteric abilities.

Then the rubble streams hit the mataloks. They poured across the vessels, some small portions of them being swallowed by voids, the majority eating away at the yorik coral as though it were sugar. The mataloks sideslipped, desperately trying to avoid the streams of destruction, but the rubble blasts tracked them, followed them, wore them down.
--Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand

Irek's destruction of the Mataloks with his TK is for sure more impressive than Valk's feat of fleet destruction. Firstly, the Mataloks are Vong Military Vessels. Not only would the shielding be way stronger than any of the ships that Valk destroyed (if those even had any) they are also made out of Vong coral, which is one of the most durable materials in Star Wars. Irek's Tk was capable of tearing the Vong coral away "like Sugar" and he was capable of bombarding several 1200m ships at once with his Tk. The amount of power this would require is completely insane and it's far superior to Valk destroying much smaller ships even in a some what weakened state.

Also, Rich Man made a good point. Valk's lightning didn't technically "destroy" the ships. The electricity was shown to kill the people inside, which would also likely indicate that the ships were not shielded.

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

The Rich Man wrote:Nyax was stated to be superior to Luke, Tahiri and Mara Jade in power. Even if Luke was jobbing, he still had his full power. Nyax also destroyed multiple mataloks while constantly losing power. When did Valkorion do something like this?

Following statement:

And he was tired of these creatures. They were weaker than he, but so stubborn. Even inventive.

From (Star Wars: Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand)

THAT was his own perception of things.

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NO! When you are JOBBING, you are not actually doing your best to win but in the act of FACILITATING others. Luke could just be making sure that his allies do not FALL in the battle. He was not opening himself to the Force to the extent he needed to overwhelm Lord Nyax because of his self-imposed psychological constraints at the time. Frame-of-mind is everything in this matter.

When you have doubts about yourself, you are unlikely to succeed. You will not achieve big with this kind of mindset. You will get your *** handed back to you by a seemingly very challenging opponent, or outclassed by another in a contest. This LESSON is valid for dealing with real-life situations as well.

WE have seen beforehand what Luke could really do when he was in the frame-of-mind to achieve. He managed to disarm Palpatine in a duel (better than Yoda?) and he also managed to manipulate a singularity created by Dovin Basals in a battle to the advantage of his camp (a feat which only Kyp Durron was able to replicate in another battle; emphasis on the frame-of-mind part once again).

Lord Nyax was very powerful without any doubt, but superior to Luke as well? Is Lord Nyax the most powerful Force-user ever?

Several years after Lord Nyax, Luke managed to defeat UnuThul in single combat who in turn was siphoning life-force of a huge number of Killiks to fuel his power at the time. The shift was sudden when Luke rooted himself into the heart of the Force or something on these lines (a marked shifted in his frame-of-mind actually; and then UnuThul was on the receiving end afterwards and the duel did not last long either).

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Valkorion one-shotted scores of starships of smugglers (some really big ones) while subjecting Arcann to a Force Storm via the body of The Outlander (his expression of power expanded to such an extent that seemingly stray bolts brought the shipping activity of the entire region to a complete halt; significant collateral damage was recorded by observing droids). And Valkorion was actually compromised in this fight because he was residing in the body of The Outlander and this body was not suited for his powers and would have crumbled under pressure (Valkorion was risking killing The Outlander with his significant expressions of power). Arcann also noted as much and conveyed this reality to Vaylin that their father was compromised under the circumstances; they finally have an opening to exploit to their advantage (i.e. kill The Outlander).

To their dismay, Valkorion was slowly but surely transforming The Outlander from within...

Key takeaway or insinuation from that demonstration of power while compromised is that if Valkorion actually had a body suited for his powers, he was capable of one-shotting an entire fleet of the Republic (if one was standing in his way), and would have overwhelmed/defeated/killed Arcann of-course.

Yes, Lord Nyax was chugging debris at those incoming starships; debris did the damage. His own energies didn't.

Valkorion is on another level in comparison to Lord Nyax, my friend.

It doesn't mean he can one-shot Nyax. He can win but not "one-shot". Even if Luke jobs, it doesn't drop him from being one of the most powerful force users in history to being one-shotable fodder for Valkorion. Luke, Tahiri and Mara Jade also used the same amp as Nyax. Otherwise, there was no way they could defeat Nyax. As for the quote, it isn't only perspective of Nyax. Even if it is, there is something called force sense. Nyax might've sensed how powerful they were. Valkorion just killed pilots and the ships were destroyed. So, Valkorion's own power didn't destroy the ships directly. And Mataloks >>> the ships that destroyed by Valkorion

@”The Rich Man”

Quote of Nyax being>Luke, Mara and Tahiri?

Why is Irek's perspective trustworthy? Sounds very arrogant. He dehumanises them to emphasise that he thinks they're so far below him.

While LeGenD is incorrect in saying that Luke was jobbing against Nyax, I believe that Valkorion wins this in possibly the closest of fights.

The Rich Man wrote:

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

The Rich Man wrote:Nyax was stated to be superior to Luke, Tahiri and Mara Jade in power. Even if Luke was jobbing, he still had his full power. Nyax also destroyed multiple mataloks while constantly losing power. When did Valkorion do something like this?

Following statement:

And he was tired of these creatures. They were weaker than he, but so stubborn. Even inventive.

From (Star Wars: Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand)

THAT was his own perception of things.

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NO! When you are JOBBING, you are not actually doing your best to win but in the act of FACILITATING others. Luke could just be making sure that his allies do not FALL in the battle. He was not opening himself to the Force to the extent he needed to overwhelm Lord Nyax because of his self-imposed psychological constraints at the time. Frame-of-mind is everything in this matter.

When you have doubts about yourself, you are unlikely to succeed. You will not achieve big with this kind of mindset. You will get your *** handed back to you by a seemingly very challenging opponent, or outclassed by another in a contest. This LESSON is valid for dealing with real-life situations as well.

WE have seen beforehand what Luke could really do when he was in the frame-of-mind to achieve. He managed to disarm Palpatine in a duel (better than Yoda?) and he also managed to manipulate a singularity created by Dovin Basals in a battle to the advantage of his camp (a feat which only Kyp Durron was able to replicate in another battle; emphasis on the frame-of-mind part once again).

Lord Nyax was very powerful without any doubt, but superior to Luke as well? Is Lord Nyax the most powerful Force-user ever?

Several years after Lord Nyax, Luke managed to defeat UnuThul in single combat who in turn was siphoning life-force of a huge number of Killiks to fuel his power at the time. The shift was sudden when Luke rooted himself into the heart of the Force or something on these lines (a marked shifted in his frame-of-mind actually; and then UnuThul was on the receiving end afterwards and the duel did not last long either).

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Valkorion one-shotted scores of starships of smugglers (some really big ones) while subjecting Arcann to a Force Storm via the body of The Outlander (his expression of power expanded to such an extent that seemingly stray bolts brought the shipping activity of the entire region to a complete halt; significant collateral damage was recorded by observing droids). And Valkorion was actually compromised in this fight because he was residing in the body of The Outlander and this body was not suited for his powers and would have crumbled under pressure (Valkorion was risking killing The Outlander with his significant expressions of power). Arcann also noted as much and conveyed this reality to Vaylin that their father was compromised under the circumstances; they finally have an opening to exploit to their advantage (i.e. kill The Outlander).

To their dismay, Valkorion was slowly but surely transforming The Outlander from within...

Key takeaway or insinuation from that demonstration of power while compromised is that if Valkorion actually had a body suited for his powers, he was capable of one-shotting an entire fleet of the Republic (if one was standing in his way), and would have overwhelmed/defeated/killed Arcann of-course.

Yes, Lord Nyax was chugging debris at those incoming starships; debris did the damage. His own energies didn't.

Valkorion is on another level in comparison to Lord Nyax, my friend.

It doesn't mean he can one-shot Nyax. He can win but not "one-shot". Even if Luke jobs, it doesn't drop him from being one of the most powerful force users in history to being one-shotable fodder for Valkorion. Luke, Tahiri and Mara Jade also used the same amp as Nyax. Otherwise, there was no way they could defeat Nyax. As for the quote, it isn't only perspective of Nyax. Even if it is, there is something called force sense. Nyax might've sensed how powerful they were. Valkorion just killed pilots and the ships were destroyed. So, Valkorion's own power didn't destroy the ships directly. And Mataloks >>> the ships that destroyed by Valkorion

Good enough for me if you come to understand that Valkorion can/will defeat Lord Nyax.

Novels are written in THIRD PERSON LIMITED format as a rule of thumb because PERSPECTIVES of different characters are taken into consideration for much of the content in the storytelling aspect. In this manner, authors do not make characters INFALLIBLE but FALLIBLE.

Although statements in relation to any theme in a novel can be taken at face value but they can also be challenged by information from another source with an alternative perspective to inform the same theme. Difference of opinion if you will.

For instance, Luke Skywalker might be made to defeat a powerful opponent in one STORY by author ABC but loose to a relatively less powerful opponent in another STORY by author DEF. An in-universe explanation might be offered in a THIRD SOURCE to explain WHY Luke's performance in combat fluctuated from opponent to opponent by author GHI. Star Wars is a COMPLEX and SUBJECTIVE theme much like real-life works, and not so black and white.

Good authors do not try to hinder creativity in works of fiction with INFALLIBLE declarations in relation to any theme.

Philosophy aside;

Characters such as Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade Skywalker are heavily involved in combat situations and TRIALS of various kinds. These stresses continue to shape their mental conditioning and continue to take a toll on their bodies. They are not expected to be in their best of shape on 24/7 basis.

I will give an analogy of Jedi Knight Warren Sedoru of the Old Republic timeline:

Warren Sedoru was already one of the most acclaimed Jedi Knights of the order when the Sith Empire attacked the Republic at Korriban. He was one of the first Jedi to lead a counterattack against Imperial forces and scored several early victories against them. The price of these triumphs was high, however. Records indicate Warren was critically injured over a dozen times in battles from Alderaan to Yavin Four. Although he survived these near-deaths without need of cybernetic replacement parts, Warren’s connection to the Force began to diminish. When the Republic signed the Treaty of Coruscant, Warren dedicated himself wholeheartedly to peace. He gave up his rank as Jedi Knight and became a Padawan to Master Tol Braga.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Codex entry: Warren Sedoru (Knight)

Although, officially recognized as one of the most powerful Jedi of the ORDER, he suffered extensive injuries during his exploits in the Great Galactic War which in turn took a toll on his physical well-being and also his command of the Force by extension. He began to retrain himself in the ways of the Force under the tutelage of the powerful Jedi Master Tol Braga to make sure that he does not loose his value and regain his strength instead.

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Luke have had his share of extremely stressful experiences in the past including nigh-sundering of his spirit by Exar Kun's intangible presence on YAVIN 4. Do people ever consider long-term implications of these stresses on the well-being of a natural born Force-user?

Mindset in itself is an important factor and consideration. Luke Skywalker admit as much:

"In that sense, your instincts about me are correct, and so were Vergere's. The dark side has, in a sense, dominated my life. I've suspected for a long time that the fatigue I've sometimes experienced when drawing on the Force during combat owes to my fear of abusing the raw power you describe." - Luke Skywalker (post Lord Nyax period)

Well....

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Senses are not INFALLIBLE, my friend. There are numerous examples in this case. The one I recall at the moment was that Darth Tenebrous did not realize how strong Darth Plagueis was until his maxi-chlorians invaded the body of his apprentice.

Some Force-users are also more attuned in the CONTROL spectrum and by extension SENSE spectrum than others. This is not the same for everyone.

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Valkorion was not actually attacking shipping activity in the vicinity; much of his focus was directed towards breaking Arcann with seemingly excessive use of force (probably the best he could manage through the body of The Outlander without crumbling it) and the resultant bolts were so intense and expansive that many of them bypassed Arcann and struck numerous starships mid-flight.

Each stray bolt one-shotted a smuggler's starship of any size mid-flight. Two were struck on-screen leading to collision with others on top. Further collateral damage was not shown visually but a droid commented on this development while observing it from safe distance, making the audience aware of the fact that there was much collateral damage and the shipping activity in the region came to a complete halt consequently.

Each stray bolt struck a starship from the outside, short-circuiting the entire vessel in the process; the operators died from electrocution by extension (they were not directly struck). Now every starship in Star Wars have layers of shielding to cope with stresses of traveling in space including the need to breach atmosphere of planets as well as harmful radiations of different types. Starships used by smugglers feature even higher levels of protection than the norm because smugglers are known to partake in risky activities to earn money (credits). A smuggler's starship is not easy to electrocute by any measure; this much is made apparent in the SWTOR (Return) trailer when a powerful Sith Inquisitor attacks one in the hanger. If you consider playing as a smuggler in SWTOR, you receive a starship with remarkable capabilities in theory and not mass-produced in the galaxy. These are all subtle pointers given to the audience.

Do I really have to explain the PHYSICS of Star Wars here? There are some books written on the subject.

Valkorion very clearly have the ability to destroy an entire FLEET of military-grade ships with a Force Storm from afar, should he try this deed, and is not hindered in any capacity. In fact, with much of his focus directed towards wrecking starships, he might even disintegrate some in the process.

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Mataloks being greater than other starships, is a crude and childish argument. Layers of shielding is not contingent upon the sheer size of a starship - a small starship can be heavily shielded in comparison to a much bigger one. Some Mataloks were taken down by proton torpedoes for instance but this isn't the case with every cruiser in Star Wars. The VONG preferred protective measures offered by Dovin Basals in big battles, and for good reason.

The fact that debris thrown towards Mataloks could breach them, raises more questions about their shielding measures instead.

Try breaching a Harrower-class dreadnaught with debris and you will be sorely disappointed.

Valkorion takes it

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:While LeGenD is incorrect in saying that Luke was jobbing against Nyax, I believe that Valkorion wins this in possibly the closest of fights.

Do you think it’s his abilities that give him the edge and that the two are roughly even in raw power, or that Valk is a bit more powerful in raw power?

Mataloks being greater than other starships, is a crude and childish argument. Layers of shielding is not contingent upon the sheer size of a starship - a small starship can be heavily shielded in comparison to a much bigger one.

I don't believe I ever stated as much. I stated they were heavily shielded on the fact that they are military ships. They were for sure way more durable and large than any of the ships that Valk shocked, correct me if I am wrong. 

Also, lets say they weren't heavily shielded. He was still crippling Vong coral with his TK on several 1200m ships at once, this is where the size relevance comes in.