Darth vader vs Darth malgus

for 19 bby vader i was meaning pre suited one this question answer himself anakin by the time of rots is tier 9 along with sidious and yoda two characters that i have serious doubts if they would get defeated by a prime outlander(end of kotet)

for suited vader better lightsaber showings being able to defeat celeste morne a being who was capable of contending with vong krayt and maladi at the same time during the legacy era,

outskill starkiller before the latter use the force

and some pretty force feats like manipulating a energy beam that was capable of destroying planets and slice star destroyers in half with little effort,

honestly the only version that i can see winning of the outlander is the one that was controlled by a weakened valkorion that version shits on vader

why do u think the outlander beats him so badly?

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:As far as I understand it Malgus isn't really relative to the Outlander, and that his performance, while impressive, doesn't create the sort of scaling TOR fanboys fall in love with, and is other feats are literal garbage by comparison to Vader's. As far as I can gather, the sick man in an iron mask should win.

BoD wrote:

for 19 bby vader i was meaning pre suited one this question answer himself anakin by the time of rots is tier 9 along with sidious and yoda two characters that i have serious doubts if they would get defeated by a prime outlander(end of kotet)

Prime Outlander is Onslaught. They'd beat him in a very close fight.

my mistake then however i dunno if the outlander could hold his own against such titans like yoda and sidious when bearing in mind they have multiple quotes stating their are the most powerful jedi and sith of all time during that timeframe. 

for suited vader better lightsaber showings being able to defeat celeste morne a being who was capable of contending with vong krayt and maladi at the same time during the legacy era,

1. That was a Force battle, not sabers, and she was already losing to Krayt. Maladi just expedited the process.


most of the fight happen off panel when morne contend very well against krayt(noting that they were facing in both lightsaber ability and the force then literally morne keeps them restraint after using the talisman) 

         







2. Krayt was dying. 


the dark lord was still able to keep himself alive and contend despite his massive sickness 

outskill starkiller before the latter use the force

TFU 2 is the only time he's beating SK, and even SK has no feats to his name comparable to the Outlander. His feats aren't even Senya level.


excuse me? starkiller have  Generated enough power with his lightning to puncture a Star Destroyer's shields, a feat that requires continent-busting firepower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZS-kLRITA&t=1006s Shielded himself from heat comparable to the outer layers of the sun, essentially bathing in plasma, for an extended period of time 
He found a maintenance ladder leading to an air lock and leapt up it in two bounds, blowing the inner hatch as he came. He could feel a wild drumming from the far side of the outer door. The ship was moving so fast now that unexposed flesh wouldn't last a microsecond. He would have to rely on a Force shield to keep him safe. A single lapse in concentration would be the end of him.

He took a second to compose himself.

For Juno.

Then he raised a hand and telekinetically burst through the outer hatch.

Instantly the world was fire. The air around the ship consisted of a blinding plasma, hotter than any ordinary flame. He forced his way into it, bracing himself against metal rungs that had turned instantly red on exposure to the outside. His eyes narrowed to slits in order to make out even the nearest outline. He could barely see the fingers in front of his face.

...

This was where it got difficult. He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of hear he might find in the outer layers of a star. He also had to keep in mind the target ahead - a target he couldn't see through the plasma, but had to hit square-on or else the planetary shield generators wouldn't fail. No matter what happened, he had to fly straight.

The Force Unleashed II

Telekinetically disintegrated a 300-meter-long starship


With his mind and all the power of the Force, Starkiller embraced what remained of the frigate beneath him - and blew it into a billion pieces.

...


The ship was almost upon them when the figure brought his hands down in a fierce, pounding motion, and the last solid fragment of the Salivation exploded into fiery pieces.

She had to close her eyes. The conflagration was too intense, and the sound was that of worlds ending. The cloning tower kicked beneath her. She was momentarily afraid that she might be falling with it into the sea. But then she was rising again, and she understood that the structure had survived, somehow, and so had she.

Her eyelids flickered, braving the brightness that only slowly faded around her. A cloud of hot metallic fragments was spreading across the city. Dense splinters rained from it, hissing where they landed. Heavier fragments struck with more substantial thuds, near and far. None struck her. The rain ceased for a moment, and then returned, settling the cloud of dust still further. Of the Salvation, nothing at all remained.

...


Juno coughed and wished she could wipe her eyes clear of ash. Her ship had blown itself practically to atoms; she had seen it happen, right in front of her. There was no chance at all that Starkiller could have survived. He had been riding right on top of it.

But she knew as well as they did that this wasn't the end. He had come back from the dead sufficient times now to make anything possible. Anything at all.

...

Starkiller's eyes jerked open. Where was he? All was dark around him. He smelled smoke and his body felt as though it had been hit by an asteroid. The last thing he remembered was tightening the Force shield around him and destroying the Salvation so it wouldn't kill Juno. He was somewhere on Kamino, then. But his mind remained full of strange images and feelings that he had never experienced before.

The Force Unleashed II

Pulverized a cadre of his clones, each of whom were stated to be as at least powerful as the original Galen Marek, who boasts an impressive array of feats himself








how exactly are his feats senya level?

and some pretty force feats like manipulating a energy beam that was capable of destroying planets and slice star destroyers in half with little effort,

A summary taken almost completely from my RT.

Unstable energy is easier to manipulate than focused energy

source?

 and honestly the Outlander or Vaylin could easily replicate this. Vader is a high tier 8, they're borderline tier 9s. 

i can hardly concede in this point based on the feats both characters have 


Not even sure he manipulated the energy anymore.


considering he manipulated the focusing crystal of the energy wave even after the same destroy the planet its likely that happen 

honestly the only version that i can see winning of the outlander is the one that was controlled by a weakened valkorion that version shits on vader

You do realise that version of Valkorion ~ chained Vaylin, who's infinitely below her unchained version, who in turn is below prime Outlander, right

actual piece of evidence that says that valkorion-chained vaylin and unchained version

my mistake then however i dunno if the outlander could hold his own against such titans like yoda and sidious when bearing in mind they have multiple quotes stating their are the most powerful jedi and sith of all time during that timeframe. 

most of the fight happen off panel when morne contend very well against krayt(noting that they were facing in both lightsaber ability and the force then literally morne keeps them restraint after using the talisman) 

excuse me? starkiller have  Generated enough power with his lightning to puncture a Star Destroyer's shields, a feat that requires continent-busting firepower 

Shielded himself from heat comparable to the outer layers of the sun, essentially bathing in plasma, for an extended period of time 

Telekinetically disintegrated a 300-meter-long starship

Pulverized a cadre of his clones, each of whom were stated to be as at least powerful as the original Galen Marek, who boasts an impressive array of feats himself

how exactly are his feats senya level?

source?

considering he manipulated the focusing crystal of the energy wave even after the same destroy the planet its likely that happen 

actual piece of evidence that says that valkorion-chained vaylin

and unchained version

IG (Exists) wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Definitely Vader.

Why? Malgus is able to (somewhat) press the Outlander, who'd clown Vader.

MasterCilghal wrote:Malgus probably one shots.