Snoke vs Rey - REMATCH

Meatpants (away) wrote:I think TPM Maul would tool her at this point.

Divina wrote:id say rey because she was able to take down palpatine, who i think is better than snoke

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:

Divina wrote:id say rey because she was able to take down palpatine, who i think is better than snoke

Rey was amped by the power of every Jedi to ever exist. It's not applicable to her base state, wherein she was ragdolled by Sheev alongside Kylo, her superior.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Rey wasn't amped for most of TROS and the default assumption for all threads unless explicitly noted otherwise is that the characters are operating at base, without circumstantial one time amps.

I mean, usually when characters are training to do something and they finally do it it's because they've learned to, and dialogue implies the Jedi now live in her.

There's no evidence suggesting it was only temporary either.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:

I mean, usually when characters are training to do something and they finally do it it's because they've learned to, and dialogue implies the Jedi now live in her.

Yeah... she managed to be capable of it, but only under extreme circumstances. Nothing remotely suggests she's capable of replicating it at will should she so desire.

There's no evidence suggesting it was only temporary either.

No reason to think it was permanent either, and I'd argue there's more evidence to the contrary.

Except Qui-Gon telling her "every Jedi who ever lived, lives in you" and the fact she was training to do so.

It's a common trope that characters learn to do something they were training for over the course of a movie. Not that it's proof (we will know when the novelization comes out) but it certainly is "remote suggestion".

Argue it then and provide that evidence.

In that moment sure. That's not an indication she can do it at will.

In Rey's case I don't think it applies. It's not something consistently emphasised she was training for across the course of the film which she ends up mastering, it's something that was mentioned once or twice in the movie that she was trainig for, then happened under the most intense circumstances possible. Feels more like an amp than a mastered technique.

The fact that it's from an external source leaves me believing that it likely wasn't permanent (That's a general presendent set in SW).

Rohirrim wrote:@DC77 (Reborn):

In that moment sure. That's not an indication she can do it at will.

The voices said "every Jedi who ever lived, lives in you", "feel the Force flowing through you, Rey", "let it lift you", "Rey, the Force will be with you, always". We know that some of the Jedi that she heard didn't retain their consciousness and passed into the cosmic Force, which is what Rey is tapping into. That sequence of words from the Jedi past, plus the fact she was training to do that very thing (so a Jedi could possibly learn how to do that), could be an indication that she can do it again. 

In Rey's case I don't think it applies. It's not something consistently emphasised she was training for across the course of the film which she ends up mastering, it's something that was mentioned once or twice in the movie that she was trainig for, then happened under the most intense circumstances possible. Feels more like an amp than a mastered technique.

You admit that it was mentioned that she was training to do that, so it could very well apply. It being an amp, which it likely is, doesn't mean it can't also be a mastered technique (i.e. that she learned how to amp herself with the power of the cosmic Force).

The fact that it's from an external source leaves me believing that it likely wasn't permanent (That's a general presendent set in SW).

There's nothing established preventing Rey from accessing that power again. It could be like a Galaxy-wide nexus to her, considering we are talking about the cosmic Force. The claim that she was only temporarily amped is not supported by current evidence.