Karness muur vs Darth Bane

who wins?



Standard rules

Bane.

bane. he has some good ass comparisons and scaling tbh, alongside many more powers and being a a duelist as good as muur, if not better.

Bane

Muur basically has nothing going for him (compared to Bane, at least). And before someone mentions it, Celeste Morne using Muur's spirit as a psychic battery is not a feat for Muur himself 4000 years prior: its an amped feat for Morne.

The Dark Jedi Exiles are somewhat powerful but they get trounced by Bane.

Celeste Morne harnessing Muur's full power could do sod all offensively against Vader. Bane is actually very powerful and could give 19 BBY Vader a fight.

Bane backhands Muur back into his talisman.

Bane would smash 19BBY Vader.

Spoken like a true infidel.

Also wrong.

@BOD i learned that the big amp that vader got from killing roan is in 19 BBY and not 18 BBY.

Shryne died in 18 BBY, so no.

i looked up the date to his death but i couldnt find anything. i did find the fact that the guy who made him fight vader in the first place died in 19 BBY.

Muur couldn’t overpower an average, run of the mill Jedi in 100 years.

I’d give him about 15 seconds with Bane

Greysentinel365 wrote:Muur couldn’t overpower an average, run of the mill Jedi in 100 years.

I’d give him about 15 seconds with Bane

I don't think willpower and Force power are always linked, and if Morne is average for a Jedi of her time then the prodigies of her time must have been damn incredible.

@BoD

Spoken like a true infidel.

Vader sucks, accept it.

Also wrong.

Let's start with you providing saber feats for Vader that compare to Bane's performance against Kas'im, or Force feats that compare to Bane's temple feat (both vastly pre-prime). Then maybe you'll have a case for why it's "wrong" to place Bane above 19BBY Vader.

BoD wrote:Shryne died in 18 BBY, so no.

Just double checked the Novel. No dates are given.

The 2012 Offcial reading companion confirms the story takes place 4 weeks after RotS.

So there goes that for Vader.

for what i could gather roan died on 18 BBY, Kashyyyk

As for Celeste, can someone re-post the full decent Jedi quote again?

Vader sucks, accept it.

That would also mean SK sucks since he couldn't overwhelm him.

Let's start with you providing saber feats for Vader that compare to Bane's performance against Kas'im,

Toying with an assassin capable of blitzing an entire group of highly trained soldiers in seconds with enough skill and speed that their leader wasn't even aware of what happened until after, stomping four Jedi at once, stomping numerous dark Jedi, killing 3 Jedi in blade to blade combat a month after Mustafar and while hindered by his rage, stomping Celeste Morne in saber combat while holding back, stomping an entire group of special ops troopers when they had the element of surprise, etc etc.

or Force feats that compare to Bane's temple feat (both vastly pre-prime).

Collapsing a temple ceiling and manipulating an energy beam capable of slicing star destroyers in half, ripping apart pressurised mining blast doors with zero effort, collapsing a cathedral with a labyrinth built underneath it while heavily wounded (about 20 minutes beforehand he'd willed himself back from the brink of death), etc.

Just double checked the Novel. No dates are given.

The 2012 Offcial reading companion confirms the story takes place 4 weeks after RotS.

So there goes that for Vader.

Out of curiosity, which novel is it talking about?

BoD wrote:Out of curiosity, which novel is it talking about?

Dark Lord The Rise of Darth Vader

Cheers. Doesn't really subtract anything from Vader, though.

I didn't get the impression Morne was average from the KOTOR comics. She was destroying rakghouls pretty casually. Source?

yeah, she obviously isnt. and i posted the date for his death here >> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/19_BBY/Legends#Deaths

BoD wrote:Cheers. Doesn't really subtract anything from Vader, though

Means the Roan Shryne boost didn't do squat against Muur or the Jedi on Kessel. We now know both occur after it.