Revan, unchained Vaylin & SWTOR Vitiate vs ROTJ Sidious

Prime for team.

Sidious has prior knowledge but no prep.

Fight to the death.

Who wins?

R1: Sabers (Vitiate can't walk into Sheev's lightsaber).
R2: Force.
R3: All out.

Only category they really have a chance in is sabers. I doubt that they can beat ROTJ Sidious at all though. Only one that isn't oneshotted is Revan, who stays in for about 20 seconds.

R1: Team. Sheev may be stronger or faster, but he isnt blitzing any of them, much less dealing with all 3 at the same time.

R2: Sheev teleporting, mind fucking, draining, illusioning, electrocuting, spinning; it just seems too much for them. He wins.

R3: Sheev. His force advantage can overcome their close quarters advantage.

Sidious stomps all three rounds.

This should not be a thread, like I am trying to be more fair to TOR characters as I am more fair with Vader, Dooku, and the like, yet I've consistently run into the problem of realizing that aside from Kun, every single one sucks on so many levels and has anti feats that are ignored because of dick sucking insects like that of an Ant colony

Isv wrote:This should not be a thread, like I am trying to be more fair to TOR characters as I am more fair with Vader, Dooku, and the like, yet I've consistently run into the problem of realizing that aside from Kun, every single one sucks on so many levels and has anti feats that are ignored because of dick sucking insects like that of an Ant colony

Depends which TOR characters you mean. Revan, the Outlander, Vaylin, Valkorion/Vitiate, Malgus, Marr, etc. all have some pretty great feats, and at least 3 of those people are > the likes of Vader and Dooku.

@HellfireUnit: Remind me again how Sidious is winning this in sabers? He hasn’t touched one for 23 years or so, and that amount of time plummeted Kenobi from his rots self to ANH Vader level.

I have no idea how to compare saber skills between eras, but in the Force, Palpatine is in another league. The team doesn't really stand a chance here.

Azronger wrote:I have no idea how to compare saber skills between eras, but in the Force, Palpatine is in another league. The team doesn't really stand a chance here.

It's why I'm always confused when people say someone like Obi-Wan is more skilled than Arcann. Someone like Mace, Anakin or Yoda who have accolades as well as feats I can understand.

IG (Exists) wrote:@HellfireUnit: Remind me again how Sidious is winning this in sabers? He hasn’t touched one for 23 years or so, and that amount of time plummeted Kenobi from his rots self to ANH Vader level.

There’s a quote saying, iirc, that ROTJ Sidious is just as capable as Yoda/Mace, so in his case he didn’t really diminish in lightsaber skill, unlike Kenobi. I’ll see if I can find it btw.

BoD (back from 8th) wrote:

Azronger wrote:I have no idea how to compare saber skills between eras, but in the Force, Palpatine is in another league. The team doesn't really stand a chance here.

It's why I'm always confused when people say someone like Obi-Wan is more skilled than Arcann. Someone like Mace, Anakin or Yoda who have accolades as well as feats I can understand.

Obi-Wan’s leagues higher than Arcann in sabers...

r1: team
r2 and 3: sidious

Maks Leem wrote:

BoD (back from 8th) wrote:

Azronger wrote:I have no idea how to compare saber skills between eras, but in the Force, Palpatine is in another league. The team doesn't really stand a chance here.

It's why I'm always confused when people say someone like Obi-Wan is more skilled than Arcann. Someone like Mace, Anakin or Yoda who have accolades as well as feats I can understand.

Obi-Wan’s leagues higher than Arcann in sabers...

Which he shouldn't be since Arcann's dominated the Outlander in skill then matched his much more powerful chapter 16 self, stalemated Vaylin, and given late KOTET Outlander a decent fight despite his substantial power advantage.

IG (Exists) wrote:@HellfireUnit: Remind me again how Sidious is winning this in sabers? He hasn’t touched one for 23 years or so, and that amount of time plummeted Kenobi from his rots self to ANH Vader level.

Except that he has touched a saber more than once?

HellfireUnit wrote:

IG (Exists) wrote:@HellfireUnit: Remind me again how Sidious is winning this in sabers? He hasn’t touched one for 23 years or so, and that amount of time plummeted Kenobi from his rots self to ANH Vader level.

Except that he has touched a saber more than once?

He hasn't used his saber since ROTS lmao. The gap between ROTS and ROTJ is 23 years. Mathematics.

IG (Exists) wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

IG (Exists) wrote:@HellfireUnit: Remind me again how Sidious is winning this in sabers? He hasn’t touched one for 23 years or so, and that amount of time plummeted Kenobi from his rots self to ANH Vader level.

Except that he has touched a saber more than once?

He hasn't used his saber since ROTS lmao. The gap between ROTS and ROTJ is 23 years. Mathematics.

TFU, and the time where he blitzed 3 Jedi once again with his sabers.

He actually killed some Jedi post ROTS but close enough

BoD (back from 8th) wrote:

Isv wrote:This should not be a thread, like I am trying to be more fair to TOR characters as I am more fair with Vader, Dooku, and the like, yet I've consistently run into the problem of realizing that aside from Kun, every single one sucks on so many levels and has anti feats that are ignored because of dick sucking insects like that of an Ant colony

Depends which TOR characters you mean. Revan, the Outlander, Vaylin, Valkorion/Vitiate, Malgus, Marr, etc. all have some pretty great feats, and at least 3 of those people are > the likes of Vader and Dooku.

Okay I'll ignore the fact you didn't understand who "everyone" meant, but that aside let me call into question the supposed great feat Darth Marr possesses? If you post him beating someone droids I will lose faith in humanity and commit tfu shaak ti

I just gotta ask, but the whole "Sidious has diminished in sabers" bit. Ok...can you prove that? Or is it just speculation? If it's the latter, I don't see how that argument can hold up because it's not much of an argument.

Isv wrote:

BoD (back from 8th) wrote:

Isv wrote:This should not be a thread, like I am trying to be more fair to TOR characters as I am more fair with Vader, Dooku, and the like, yet I've consistently run into the problem of realizing that aside from Kun, every single one sucks on so many levels and has anti feats that are ignored because of dick sucking insects like that of an Ant colony

Depends which TOR characters you mean. Revan, the Outlander, Vaylin, Valkorion/Vitiate, Malgus, Marr, etc. all have some pretty great feats, and at least 3 of those people are > the likes of Vader and Dooku.

Okay I'll ignore the fact you didn't understand who "everyone" meant, but that aside let me call into question the supposed great feat Darth Marr possesses? If you post him beating someone droids I will lose faith in humanity and commit tfu shaak ti

Scales off Malgus, who scales around the level of the act 3 strike team. There's also Vitiate viewing him as a pretty major threat to his power. 

I assume you concede that Revan, Vaylin, etc. don't suck, then?

BoD wrote:

Isv wrote:

BoD (back from 8th) wrote:

Isv wrote:This should not be a thread, like I am trying to be more fair to TOR characters as I am more fair with Vader, Dooku, and the like, yet I've consistently run into the problem of realizing that aside from Kun, every single one sucks on so many levels and has anti feats that are ignored because of dick sucking insects like that of an Ant colony

Depends which TOR characters you mean. Revan, the Outlander, Vaylin, Valkorion/Vitiate, Malgus, Marr, etc. all have some pretty great feats, and at least 3 of those people are > the likes of Vader and Dooku.

Okay I'll ignore the fact you didn't understand who "everyone" meant, but that aside let me call into question the supposed great feat Darth Marr possesses? If you post him beating someone droids I will lose faith in humanity and commit tfu shaak ti

Scales off Malgus, who scales around the level of the act 3 strike team. There's also Vitiate viewing him as a pretty major threat to his power. 

I assume you concede that Revan, Vaylin, etc. don't suck, then?

Sorry sir misrecognition, you said FEATS, not scaling. Please try again

It's almost as though I was referring to more than one person when I said "all have some pretty great feats". Alright, let's take Marr out of the debate for now. What about the others?

@Azronger lock this. This shouldn’t exist.

Edited it massively. Switched Arcann and Malgus out for Vaylin and Vitiate.