Yoda and Mace Windu vs Valkorion and Arcann

All at their respective peaks. All other rules are standard.

Team 2.

Team 2

Valkorion>Yoda.

Arcann>Mace.

Valkorion>Yoda
Mace>Arcann IMO

Valkorion >> Yoda > Arcann ~ Mace

Could go either way. Valkorion is arguably above Yoda but with the addition of prime Mace the two can beat him. Arcann is a fair bit weaker than anyone else here.

Arcann was taking on Vaylin, who is an easy Yoda tier.

LadyKulvax wrote:Arcann was taking on Vaylin, who is an easy Yoda tier.

Chained Vaylin who's definitely not Yoda tier, and he was stated to be weaker than her.

Chained Vaylin scales above Ziost, lmfao. She's definitely Yoda tier.

LadyKulvax wrote:Chained Vaylin scales above Ziost, lmfao. She's definitely Yoda tier.

She broke out of a Force hold from a weakened Valkorion in his spirit form while apparently tapping into her full power (the glowing eyes effect that only happened when she was using her full power).

Yeah, no, Vaylin prior to Nathema isn't capable of tapping into her full power. That's the entire point.

LadyKulvax wrote:Yeah, no, Vaylin prior to Nathema isn't capable of tapping into her full power. That's the entire point.

It never actually said she couldn't ever tap into it, only that it was locked away. It's literally the only other time her eyes glow when she's not unchained, and it's hands down her most impressive feat, far beyond anything else she did while she was still chained. She didn't replicate a single feat even approaching this while chained, so she was either tapping into her full power or it was PIS. Since the latter is a pointless excuse, the former makes a lot more sense.

Except she had to be torn apart and break out of the machine to lift the restraints on her mind. What you're claiming is completely contradicted by the actual story.

There's also the small fact that it's completely beyond anything she accomplished beforehand. It''s also pretty consistent with her other showings. Every time Vaylin taps into her full power, her eyes glow purple and she summons a barrier of purple Force energy around her.




The only time Vaylin ever has this effect is under extreme circumstances where she's forced to tap into her full power. Setting this aside, there's no feat from her that approaches the above ones - especially breaking out of a hold of a (weakened) spirit Valkorion - prior to her breaking free of her conditioning. It's another case of her tapping into her full power, kind of like Anakin on Mortis or Luke against Sidious in DE.

Valkorion>Yoda.

Arcann<Mace.

Team 2 still win though.

Arcann's fodder here but Valk >> Mace or Yoda and > them together.

Team 2, Valk solos.

Valk probably carries his team to victory.