SS - Darth Sidious (Azronger) vs Sors Bandeam (Machiavelli)

Machiavelli wrote:Righto, so I'ma keep this brief, because the outcome itself is fairly obvious.

While most would ultimately point towards Sheev's excessive power in the Force, codified by his feats and accolades, I will say that these don't matter here. Between these characters we have a direct comparison. While most would credit Sheev to ultimately starting Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. he didn't finish it. What's truly shown as the moment where his fall is complete is when he slaughters the children. In the narrative, that's the moment where Anakin ultimately becomes Darth Vader.

Who is the face of this groundbreaking moment? Sors Bandeam. Thus, his conceptual power in the Dark Side is ultimately far surpassing that of Sheev, as one who is able to guide the chosen one further down his path. Attuned to the Force enough to see this, Sheev ultimately consumes himself with his own Force Storm at his inferiority to a small child.

Sors looks at where Sheev used to be with that stupid face of his.

He wins. I win. The ruler's back.

Meatpants wrote:Not sure he can recover from that response.

Az wrote:The Complete Locations identifies the massacre of the Separatist Council as the point where Anakin Skywalker's fall was completed. Therefore, your thesis is is simply flat-out incorrect, and Sors Bandeam cannot be credited with powers embodying the dark side itself - not that your logic makes much sense in the first place. However, let's, for the sake of the argument, continue with your line of thought: based on the evidence I have presented, the Separatist Council collectively personify the dark side of the Force and wield its power in corresponding proportions. Yet who are they seen kowtowing to in this scene?

Az wrote:Sidious' political acumen is greater than all the power of the dark side itself. This is how, through his mere words, he is able to placate and command the very avatar of the dark side as embodied by the Separatist Council. So even were you on the money with your assessment of Sors Bandeam, Sidious would still win by talking Sors to death. But since your assessment is dead-wrong, Sidious would just one-shot him with the Force or speedblitz him with his lightsaber, as Sors is ultimately just a featless kid who died in a single slash from Anakin.

Machiavelli wrote:"the lore contradicts"

Quaint argument, but we exist in a world that's grown beyond your understanding, Az. All of what we talk has been considered non canon drivel by our Mouse overlord, which means that canon tiering is explicitly out the window.

Thus, while my arguments in a pre-Disney context would be thrown out as non canon conjecture, I have been granted immense freedom. With the sheer apathy towards Legends that has been taken by Disney, everything I say is as canon as the rest, and at this point, it all comes to down who has more claims that support their point + the bias of the people who are voting in this debate. As someone far more popular than you, and having a talent for bullshit that far surpasses your own, you're fucked boyo.

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Sidious is also named Sheev, has a face like a diseased ball sack, and was unable to react to getting thrown over a ledge by a crippled toaster who had just got his ass kicked by some douche with a bowl cut. His nature is one of fodder, and he's crushed under the conceptual weight of Sors.