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on December 26th 2019, 3:29 am
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Great RT, really enjoyed reading it, and it definitely made me raise Kun even further. However, I’m not sure of Kyp being more powerful than JA Luke, especially since it’s based entirely on a blurb, whose validity is subjective.
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on December 26th 2019, 7:35 am
@Meatpants wrote:Nice post, got some questions/suggestions:

1. Where do you hold Kun relative to DE Sidious and Valkorion?
2. You should add your case for debunking the Malak > Kun quote as an addendum. It’d be good to see your full case all in one spot.

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on December 26th 2019, 6:29 pm
@Meatpants wrote:Nice post, got some questions/suggestions:

1. Where do you hold Kun relative to DE Sidious and Valkorion?
2. You should add your case for debunking the Malak > Kun quote as an addendum. It’d be good to see your full case all in one spot.

1.Significantly below either. Like, I'd have Kun give ROTJ Palps or SWTOR Vitiate a good fight. And he'd contend much closer with ROTS Sheev or Novel!Vitiate.

2.That's a good point, very well.
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on December 26th 2019, 6:32 pm
@MasterCilghal wrote:Great RT, really enjoyed reading it, and it definitely made me raise Kun even further. However, I’m not sure of Kyp being more powerful than JA Luke, especially since it’s based entirely on a blurb, whose validity is subjective.

Indeed, whilst blurbs are subjective, it's interesting that in their actual fight Kyp by himself seems to be overwhelming Luke. Kun merely provides the knock-out blow, so to speak.
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on December 26th 2019, 7:04 pm
Post number three has been updated with an addendum.
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on December 26th 2019, 10:39 pm
Added a really f-ucking cool quote for Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos at the end of post two.
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on December 26th 2019, 11:03 pm
Excellent thread, any plans to do this for more TOTJ characters?
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on December 26th 2019, 11:17 pm
There's honestly not much more than what's already been done for them. I mean, you can make the scaling chains that no one really used before. But it primarily serves to prep up Ulic and moreover Vodo.
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on December 27th 2019, 1:52 am
Added another really cool quote at the end of post one.
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on December 27th 2019, 8:47 am
What exactly the "Destiny" stat stands for?
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on December 27th 2019, 8:54 am
"Destiny Points are resources that a player can use to help fulfill whatever Destiny has been set before their character. A 1st-level character begins play with 1 Destiny Point and gains another Destiny Point at each level. A Destiny Point allows a hero to perform a nearly impossible task or survive against all odds."
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on December 27th 2019, 1:35 pm
@LadyKulvax wrote:"Destiny Points are resources that a player can use to help fulfill whatever Destiny has been set before their character. A 1st-level character begins play with 1 Destiny Point and gains another Destiny Point at each level. A Destiny Point allows a hero to perform a nearly impossible task or survive against all odds."

That's... vague. What does it mean? That Kun is more lucky than Malak? Or that the Force is more in favour of Kun (so to speak)? Should we take this particular stat seriously at all?
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on December 27th 2019, 7:05 pm
It's basically Oneness.
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on December 29th 2019, 7:59 pm
Updated post one.
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on January 31st 2020, 12:49 pm
Exar Kun was amped.

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on February 11th 2020, 2:26 pm
His feats are darkside nexus amp. Exar Kun was amped by Marka Ragnos, talisman, Yavin 4, and his lightsaber. Without those amps he is equal to Darth Vader.


Not to mention Exar Kun's spirit became a darkside nexus.
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on February 11th 2020, 5:04 pm
The "amp" Kun receives from Ragnos is something every sith lord receives upon being anointed The Dark Lord of the Sith. It's also permanent, so idk why you're calling it an amp. His talisman merely helps him channel his power, it doesn't increase his power. And I've never heard of his lightsaber amping him lol.
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on February 11th 2020, 6:39 pm
@KingofBlades Kun's lightsaber is revealed to be a dark side nexus in the KotOR comics.

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on February 11th 2020, 7:06 pm
Right, Kun’s saber infused with his power amps him.
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on February 11th 2020, 11:01 pm
Yeah, nothing amped him bar Yavin IV where the most impressive feat he pulled off came literally years and absolutely enormous growth before his prime. So the amp doesn't even matter.

But thanks for proving how dead the Vader > Kun argument is at this point.
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on February 11th 2020, 11:22 pm
sure. so long as it proves that kun > sheev as well, ull always be happy
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on February 11th 2020, 11:25 pm
I've never once stated Kun > Sheev. Pathetic bait.
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on February 11th 2020, 11:56 pm
@LadyKulvax wrote:I've never once stated Kun > Sheev. Pathetic bait.
i dont need u to. the idea that he is far above JA kun would already make him stronger than ROTS sheev, no matter how u look at it, and guess what? thats factually wrong.
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on February 12th 2020, 12:12 am
ROTS Sheev isn't canonically the most powerful anything per Leland Chee himself:

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.j...&start=1200[/mention] wrote:Dave111283(Darth Sexy): Being a huge Marka Ragnos fan, I just wanted to know where he ranks among the most powerful sith lords ever. The way he was always described made me think that he was the most powerful Sith Lord ever until sources came up with Sidious being the most powerful. Can you shed some light on this please?

Captain Yossarian: I don't know for sure but I would imagine that there are no hard and fast lists about which Sith are the most powerful. "Most Powerful" would have lots of different variables to take into account. So it may be best to say that he was simply amongst the most powerful Sith along with Sidious and whoever else there may be. It you definitively say that one Sith was the most powerful then by definition any others that you create in the EU must be inferior so I doubt the continuity people make such absolutes about the powerfulness of the characters.

Tasty Taste (Leland Chee): Agreed, us continuity people don't deal in absolutes. Only Sith deal in absolutes. With that said, we'll often need to come up with stats or rankings for gameplay purposes. These are for gameplay purposes only. Stunt coordinator Nick Gillard had his own lightsaber ranking, but even the use of this ranking system is limited because it was only the major characters from the prequel films that he ranked. We never expanded on that ranking system.

Furthermore. Shall I point out, why? I just need three quotes of Chris Cherasi to do it:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films."

The only absolutes in SW canon do appear in the movies with the exception of words coming from Lucas himself. Anything else is not absolute by the very definition of the LFL canon policy. That starts with with the novelizations and goes down to the computer games.

"The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play."

Another fact: All sources, Lucas words and the movies excepted, contain interpretation and speculation. By that very line of thought every bit of information (notice: information is not equal to "fact") spawning in the additional source-material (read: everything except the movies and Lucas own words) can be questioned and - as a consequence of that fact - be argued.

"The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'"

And this nails the coffin of your blind faith in written words appearing in the source material. You can quote anything you want - in the end [as far as stuff depicted in the movies and Lucas words aren't concerned] every single word produced in the SW fiction spawns from an interpretation of events happening in the "real" SW universe that the author of said fiction (read: the narrator of the story) presents to the reader. Non of it can be labeled "absolute truth".

By now you should have realized, that everything not coming from Lucas directly and not being shown in the movies already represents interpretation of facts and not the facts themselves. And going by that, everything can be argued unless you have to contradict Lucas himself or the movies in order to do the job.

So - there are no absolute power-levels given, because every single source that directly compares characters is subject to interpretation itself as it doesn't present us facts but rather the interpretation of facts by the respective narrator / author. Thus you can't find absolutes in them, unless they do state facts established via the movies or Lucas own words. Of course there can be certain tenors in said interpreations, e.g. a majority of the sources hinting that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in history (at time of RotS). But due to the fact that those are just interpretations, one can still question them. And this is why the power-levels of characters in the SWU are ambigious - unless Lucas steps in and defines them, as he did with Darth Sidious and Darth Vader.
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on February 12th 2020, 12:40 am
yeah, its 12:41 where im at, so im not gonna read it today lol
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