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LadyKulvax
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 am
Nice fan fiction, Vitiate's not on the top level at this point. Kun through literally every single indication in the NR era is.
Latham2000
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:52 am
Kun dies.
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:30 am
Vitiate. Easily. He was conceived as an ancient Darth Sidious analogue and continued to be developed beyond that. That's his archetype and his place in the story.
LadyKulvax
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:34 am
I can replace Vitiate in your post with Exar Kun and it's just as true. Exar Kun vs Novel Vitiate - Page 3 1220391476
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:46 am
Kun still dies
LadyKulvax
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:53 am
Funny, all these claims and nothing to back them with. Exar Kun vs Novel Vitiate - Page 3 2864379292
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:57 am
@XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:
Azronger wrote:Unlike Revan, Kun would be boosted by the same nexus that Vitiate is amplified by. Therefore it's impossible to judge this fight as Malak only scales over normal Kun, not a hypothetical, Dromund Kaas-amped Kun.


You stake the claim Revan would not be boosted by the nexus ala Exar Kun. Why is that the case? You and I both know it's stated in the novel that Revan is able to draw on the dark side for strength:

Source: Star Wars The Old Republic - Revan wrote:He had learned to balance on the knife-edge between them, drawing on both the light and dark sides for strength.

At absolute worst, Revan is operating at base levels, but I don't see why he wouldn't be amped. A dark side nexus is an unnatural concentration of dark side energy, energy that can be drawn on to bolster one's power. The fact that Revan has no qualms drawing on the dark side for strength means he would be opening himself up to the energy freely, unlike Jedi who fear falling to the dark side and close themselves off from it, allowing it to weigh down on them and suppress their connection to the force. People act like Revan has 50 points of light side energy and 50 points of dark side energy, and he would lose 5 light side points on the nexus, but gain 5 dark side points. I think it's more accurate to say that Revan existing "on the knife edge between" the light and dark sides allows him to draw on either one or both simultaneously (like against Vitiate) depending on the situation. I don't see why Revan would intentionally weaken himself and choose not to bolster his powers by drawing on the energies of the nexus, especially while facing his most hated enemy and having no issue drawing on such power.

Even if we assume that Revan is operating at base levels, your argument is intellectually dishonest at best. While technically you're right in that we can't know with 100% certainty that Kaas amped Kun would not be more powerful than Novel Vitiate, the idea that we can't judge which is more likely between:

A: Vitiate wins/stomps Kun into the dirt.

B: The Kaas nexus amps Kun to the point that he would rival or exceed the power Vitiate wields on the nexus, or at least would defeat Vitiate in a fight for a majority, despite the absolutely gargantuan gap between Vitiate and normal!Kun, such that Novel Vitiate > Novel Revan >/>> KOTOR Revan >> SF Malak >>> normal!Kun.

is asinine, and you know it. In uncertain situations, we are still able to operate with a range of probabilities and determine which is the most likely, and it's pretty clear which of the two is most likely, if not literally 100% certain, based on the evidence at hand. So unless you can increase the probability of B...

Vitiate stomps Kun into the dirt.
I never knew that this quote existed and I agree with the text in bold completely. The quote does indeed prove that Revan was amped when he fought Vitiate. Which makes Vitiate look even better. I don't see why Kun would put up a much better fight, but I do see him lasting a bit longer if the Malak quote isn't taken seriously.

^Actually I am going to change my opinion, still not sure if Revan was amped or not. Whatever the case, Kun still last longer than Revan.


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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:40 am
Kun wins
S_W_LeGenD
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:01 am
@LadyKulvax wrote:Kun already knew he'd won and hence was playing with Ood from the onset. In typical fashion. He had no idea the metamorphosis was possible but despite Ood having such an immense advantage, Kun didn't suffer from it. You portray this as a major feat when actually this was Ood pulling off an act of severe desperation.

You're claiming that Kun face-tanking Ood's attack is a 'laugh-worthy' assumption whilst you're using a feat for Vitiate that occurs off-screen. Pot meet kettle.

Ood's attack being centered on Kun specifically doesn't mean it lacks destructive potency, it merely means the majority of the power was directed on him.

Fact is, Ood out of desperation underwent hid metamorphosis and attacked an off-guard Kun with power he had drawn from the core of Ossus. Which is exactly what he does to summon a Force shield to tank the incoming supernova waves when there was destruction on a massive scale.

You're trying to appeal to astrophysical locale when it is clear that the supernova waves hit Ossus directly and literally ripped the planet open:

Chronicles of the Old Republic wrote:The shockwave burst apart across the galaxy, reaching the world of Ossus and rupturing it, destroying the Jedi library and thousands of teachings and artifacts. The Jedi were in disarray.

That Ood's shield wasn't instantly ripped apart and him reduced to ash, is insanely impressive by itself. But Ood did far more than that. He tanked the ten consecutive supernova waves whilst the planet was nearly destroyed and then tanked what would've been essentially endless radiation from the waves afterwards. It's only until centuries later that we see Ossus return to any sort of liveable state.

Simply put, Ossus was strong enough in the living Force that it mitigated the waves that destroyed entire planets around it and destroyed whole other systems. Ood was drawing on this energy source to shield himself as the power of the waves that got through ruptured the surface of the planet.

The same power was incapable of seriously injuring or debilitating Kun at all. Kun gets much more powerful after this occurs.

These are levels of power we do not see Vitiate displaying until centuries later.

Exar Kun still wins.

Ood Bnar's metamorphosis might have surprised Exar Kun but this is not my contention to begin with. Yes, Ood was unable to cope with Kun in a conventional fight beforehand and chose the metamorphosis route to tackle him. Though why Kun was not able to BREAK Ood or ONE-SHOT him in his normal form, is a question that warrant an answer. Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor) would have accomplished such a thing if in the shoes of Kun. Just a split-second brush with Tenebrae's mind was sufficient to send Lord Scourge hurtling on the floor with pain, and he is implied to be a peer of Meetra Surik at this stage.

The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side.

Taken from SWTOR: Codex Entry: The Emperor's Fallen Jedi (Knight).

My contention is that what level of power Ood could draw from Ossus to affect Kun and tank his powers, is akin to 50 Shades of Grey. He just had to draw ENOUGH of it, and not the ENTIRETY of it to overwhelm Kun. As I have established through the example of Abeloth, when she unleashed raw power of an entire world through the body of Tola Annax, it produced significant destructive effects which make absolute sense given the nature of the deed. The immediate blast of power would have utterly annihilated Luke Skywalker (prime incarnation), let alone other Jedi - if they had not taken cover on time and running for their lives afterwards.

Ood's demonstration of enduring an artificially created supernova event, is an unexplained artifact, and raw power of Ossus made it possible for Ood to endure such level of radiation by virtue of being a part of the planet itself. I have already shared relevant information to establish this much (ignoring this part is not sound). No character can be SCALED from a supernova event (artificial or not). Luke in his prime days, was not capable of withstanding raw power of an entire world coming his way, and here you are telling me that it would take supernova-tanking TIER strength to move Kun a few meters. This simply does not add up.

Let us come back to realistic and quantifiable showings to consider:

You talk about Force Sever application, Tenebrae was able to cut Lord Dramath off from the Force when he was like 10. Make no mistake here, Lord Dramath is implied to be one of the most powerful Sith of his time (governor of a Sith world Medriaas; being capable of producing a Sith holocron of his own). Creating a Sith holocron is one of the most difficult feats for a Sith to replicate in personal capacity because it demand continous application of the Force to affect particles on a microscopic level and the process can last many days with the added caveat that a single misstep can SHUT DOWN the whole thing for good. Darth Bane - one of the most powerful Sith - managed to create a Sith holocron after several attempts and much frustration. There is a reason why authentic Sith holocron are extremely rare finds. Lord Dramath's another son who migrated to Rekkiad in FEAR of being caught and killed by Tenebrae, is also stated to be a powerful Sith in his own right.

In addition to the above, Tenebrae was able to twist and pervert Lord Dramath's Sith holocron into one of the most dangerous and powerful artifacts ever - capable of consuming even immortal spirits and formless beings; while still in his youth.

All holocrons are based on a complex yet elegant technology: a lattice of organic crystals woven together at a microscopic level. The crystal lattice can store vast amounts of information, as well as replicate the appearance and personality of the holocron's creator as a gatekeeper who will guide students in their training.

In his youth, Valkorion--then known as Tenebrae--discovered a way to twist and pervert the lattice so it could capture the spirit of powerful Force users, locking them in a metaphysical cage. He used the weapon on Dramath, his tyrannical father, and trapped him inside the holocron for centuries.

But the same corrupted technology Valkorion used to vanquish his father could also be turned against him, permanently imprisoning his immortal spirit... or obliterating it from existence.


Taken from SWTOR: Codex Entry: Dramath's Holocron

Tenebrae was able to take control of, and exert his influence on, his homeworld by now, killing many who dared to oppose him for the same cause (becoming governor of Medriaas at the age of 13). Medriaas was not an ordinary Sith world but a storage house of numerous artifacts including ancient superweapon Zildrog - artifacts that NOBODY dared to tinker with but Tenebrae would eventually.

It is SAFE to assert that Tenebrae had demonstrated more power than countless Sith in his youth.

In addition to the above, Tenebrae PROVED HIS METTLE to the survivors of the Great Hyperspace War in a TERRIFYING RITUAL enacted by him on his homeworld by virtue of CONTROLLING its outcome to his benefit and transforming himself consequently - a ritual whose resultant energies utterly consumed 8000 Sith Lords who had decided to partake in it, Medriaas itself turning it into NATHEMA (a VOID in the Force), and created the largest nexus of dark side energy [ever] by extension. This was a measure of Tenebrae's ACTUALIZED POWERS at the time, and he was now able to prolong his life for indefinite period on top:

Lord Vitiate returned to his homeworld while rest of the Sith Empire waged the Great Hyperspace War against the Republic. When the hasty Sith offensive ended in failure, the Empire collapsed - but Lord Vitiate was stronger than ever. He bid every surviving Sith to unite or die at the hands of Jedi. Eight thousand Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas and agreed to partake in a ritual that would bind the Sith together as an ultimate dark side weapon.

The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor.


Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

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The Sith Empire's exile dragged on for centuries. While the military, navy, and Sith grew strong, the Emperor amassed unfathomable power and plotted a vengeful war against the Republic. He ruled from the privacy of his chambers in the Citadel, his life extended to virtual immortality by Sith sorcery.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

The kind of ritual which Darth Bane mused that even a true Sith Master would never dare to attempt lest it backfire on him:

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy’s entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron’s avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later.

Taken from Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

- and it never was attempted throughout the course of Bannite lineage and even beyond. Darth Plagueis explored a relatively much much safer route while delving into the subject of corporeal immortality (i.e. Midichlorian Manipulation) but he was stopped short by Palpatine.

Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor) was able to transform and corrupt an entire world (Dromund Kaas) to the extent that its atmosphere produced deadly thunderstorms on a continuous basis (Planetary TIER effects), ONE-SHOTTED a rebellious Dark Council (Sith Sorcery implied - one of the strongest applications of this spectrum on record), HELD the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire TOGETHER through centuries with his IRON WILL (a civilization encompassing MILLIONS of true Sith on a given day, plagued with endless schemes and infighting, and designed to ensure survival of the fittest and/or most capable Sith), BROKE the duo of battle-hardened Revan and Malak with barely an effort (Revan being the Jedi Order's most powerful CHAMPION even at this stage), summoned 8 members of another Dark Council to his chambers and killed them all in another case of perceived rebellion, and defeated Revan once again (a FAR MORE POWERFUL incarnation of Revan this time with NEWFOUND POWERS under his belt, being capable of drawing strength from both the Light and Dark sides of the Force to his benefit), and was strongly implied to be capable of defeating even the TRIO of Revan (Reborn), Meetra Surik and Lord Scourge should this battle materialize.

ALL OF THE ABOVE while Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor) was PREVENTING ECOLOGICAL RECOVERY of his homeworld (Nathema) in another sector of the galaxy (this was not a coincidence). Imagine the level of STRESSES involved in this matter given the fact that how difficult it was for Tenebrae (Valkorion) to shield The Outlander and his allies on Nathema from its damaging effects.

To put the aforementioned into perspective, Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor) was able to AFFECT two planets FAR APART from each other while attending to the matters of Sith and the Jedi on top. No wonder BioWare declared Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor) as the most powerful Force-user ever. This make much sense now.

Kun was never TESTED to that extent, and virtually nothing suggest that he could manage all of that if made to walk through the same path.

Kun might have defeated Lord Dramath at some point but nothing suggest that he could replicate Tenebrae's TERRIFYING RITUAL whose energies utterly consumed 8000 Sith Lord participants in the process and much more (see above). Even in the days of his implied prime, Kun enacted and executed a much inferior ritual with his Massassi subjects on YAVIN 4 and consumed many of them to become a powerful Sith Spirit at most (nothing on the lines of corporeal immortality); there were numerous survivors however including Kalgrath, and YAVIN 4 was also intact to large extent. The WALL OF LIGHT created by Jedi to scorch YAVIN 4 was sufficient to prevent Kun's Sith Spirit from escaping this planet for like ever:

From the journal of Jedi Master Arlo Grennen during his investigation into the dark side's influence on Yavin 4:

"A few hundred years ago, the Jedi Order thought they could cleanse Yavin 4 of its dark influence. They were more aggressive then. I'm actually impressed. The Jedi bombarded the world from orbit with a destructive manifestation of light side power in the hopes it would free the moon from its dark embrace.

"The attacking Jedi destroyed much of the life on Yavin 4, which they later worked to restore to its previous state. They thought they'd won, that they'd removed the influence of the dark side. How wrong they were. The Massassi are still here. The dark side is still present. I would not be surprised if Exar Kun's spirit remains, waiting for someone--a Jedi like myself, perhaps--to find him...."


Taken from SWTOR: Codex Entry: The Dark Legacy of Yavin 4: Part IV

However, those measures had no impact on Tenebrae's formless essence when it arrived on YAVIN 4 to recuperate. After feeding on numerous deaths on YAVIN 4 (courtesy of WAR between forces of Revan and the Republic-Empire alliance), Tenebrae was able to FOLD SPACE and reach ZIOST - an incredibly violent manifestation of power which produced earthquakes on the surface of YAVIN 4 and inflicted many casualties on the forces of Empire stationed around. And Tenebrae was much below his BASE LEVEL STRENGTH as of The Sith Emperor at this stage.

Furthermore, dealing with Massassi and some Dark Jedi is one thing, dealing with MILLIONS of true Sith is another ballgame altogether - these in addition to the RANK-and-FILE of the Empire who outnumbered the true Sith (10000 to 1).

Sorry Lady, from whichever perspective you look at this matter, Tenebrae have shown to be on another level in comparison to Kun from START to the END of his days as Sith.

You are taking an account of historians at face value whose archives were not complete - who had no idea about Tenebrae and his exploits to begin with, and also his created civilizations. These archives were intentionally wiped out...


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LadyKulvax
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:52 am
Exar Kun is literally smiling at Ood whilst Ood admits he's no match whatsoever. This attempt at drawing conclusions to undermine Kun's performance against pre-meta Ood is about as effective as a sail boat without wind.

Ood was channeling literally the same power when he pulled off both of those feats. The attack on Kun and the subsequent summoning of a shield occur one after the other. There's no reason for them to be different levels of power. Your entire argument here is based on nothing but conjecture that isn't even in line with the actual source material. Ossus Ood and Exar Kun are depicted as equals, one fails to kill or even injure the other with the advantage of preparation vs no preparation whereas the other is incapable of surpassing the other's Force shield. This is not even factoring in that this is basically the strongest light side nexus in the history of the galaxy by this point, thus Exar Kun would have been hindered just like Galen Marek was on Felucia against Shaak Ti.

Exar Kun immediately afterwards gains massive knowledge sources which we know are outright capable of growing his power, before draining thousands of, dark-side nexus imbued and alchemically enhanced by Naga Sadow, Massassi. Something he does to achieve the power necessary to undergo a ritual to ascend as an incorporeal dark-side entity.

The codex entry's theories are largely redundant besides one. We know the astrophysical localé isn't true. So the point about the living Force energy of Ossus is. The point being, Ossus' living Force energy itself tanked the majority of the supernova waves. What it didn't tank was enough to destroy the surface of the planet, with Ood on it and shown to be directly hit. Ood drew from the core of Ossus prior to the attack to withstand the surface rupturing energies that Ossus itself couldn't.

You're claiming there is no basis for my contentions yet nothing you say to counter me is reflected whatsoever in the source material. Everything I've said thus far isn't even claims, it's stating the facts as shown in said source material.

Post-transformation Ood Bnar is demonstratably a hard equal of a nexus hindered Exar Kun prior to Kun returning to Yavin IV to get vastly more powerful.

Ood himself impresses me more than the Sith Emperor as of the second assassination attempt by Revan. He wields a feat of raw power that the Emperor has yet to depict in any way as of this point. Nevermind compared to an amped prime Exar Kun.
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on Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:38 pm
@LadyKulvax wrote:Exar Kun is literally smiling at Ood whilst Ood admits he's no match whatsoever. This attempt at drawing conclusions to undermine Kun's performance against pre-meta Ood is about as effective as a sail boat without wind.

Ood was channeling literally the same power when he pulled off both of those feats. The attack on Kun and the subsequent summoning of a shield occur one after the other. There's no reason for them to be different levels of power. Your entire argument here is based on nothing but conjecture that isn't even in line with the actual source material. Ossus Ood and Exar Kun are depicted as equals, one fails to kill or even injure the other with the advantage of preparation vs no preparation whereas the other is incapable of surpassing the other's Force shield. This is not even factoring in that this is basically the strongest light side nexus in the history of the galaxy by this point, thus Exar Kun would have been hindered just like Galen Marek was on Felucia against Shaak Ti.

Exar Kun immediately afterwards gains massive knowledge sources which we know are outright capable of growing his power, before draining thousands of, dark-side nexus imbued and alchemically enhanced by Naga Sadow, Massassi. Something he does to achieve the power necessary to undergo a ritual to ascend as an incorporeal dark-side entity.

The codex entry's theories are largely redundant besides one. We know the astrophysical localé isn't true. So the point about the living Force energy of Ossus is. The point being, Ossus' living Force energy itself tanked the majority of the supernova waves. What it didn't tank was enough to destroy the surface of the planet, with Ood on it and shown to be directly hit. Ood drew from the core of Ossus prior to the attack to withstand the surface rupturing energies that Ossus itself couldn't.

You're claiming there is no basis for my contentions yet nothing you say to counter me is reflected whatsoever in the source material. Everything I've said thus far isn't even claims, it's stating the facts as shown in said source material.

Post-transformation Ood Bnar is demonstratably a hard equal of a nexus hindered Exar Kun prior to Kun returning to Yavin IV to get vastly more powerful.

Ood himself impresses me more than the Sith Emperor as of the second assassination attempt by Revan. He wields a feat of raw power that the Emperor has yet to depict in any way as of this point. Nevermind compared to an amped prime Exar Kun.

HISTORY of Ossus provided in the following footage:



For general knowledge, and to lighten the mood. Exar Kun vs Novel Vitiate - Page 3 228124001

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My argument in regards to the 'Ood Bnar (post-metamorphosis) versus Exar Kun' part is not merely a CONJECTURE but grounded in a demonstration of Abeloth of similar nature in which she compressed much of the raw power of a world into her subject (i.e. Tola Annax), and then released it upon incoming Jedi who invaded this world and were close to making contact with her subject. The resultant explosion of energy was beyond the capacity of being contained by any Jedi including Luke Skywalker in his prime, and would have utterly annihilated any Jedi caught in the blast instead. The resultant explosion of energy produced significant effects on the surface of the planet as well. This is LOGICAL TAKE of a development of this nature.

There is much raw power in any world - so vast that if channeled like an offensive application - even the most powerful Jedi [ever] does not stand a chance in containing it and tolerating it, let alone Kun. The subject will be utterly annihilated on the spot. Raw power of this magnitude can produce an apocalypse.

I did not see something on those lines from Ood (post-metamorphosis) when he struck Kun with a blast of power. My take is that there is a limit to how much power Ood could draw from the depths of Ossus and channel it into an offensive application without RISKING killing himself in the process. This make sense, and Kun is merely sent back flying from the assault. This development is much different from that of Ood being able to endure a massive dosage of radiation while becoming a part of Ossus [afterwards]. There were other survivors as well who had taken shelter inside the mountains but on time.

The difference between those two feats is like this: Firing a MISSILE towards the designated target (offensive application) vs. SHIELDING to absorb harmful waves of radiation (defensive application) - cannot COLLATE the two.

Nowhere in the lore it is stated that Kun could endure that kind of radiation all by himself - he could not. He had no choice but to EXIST from Ossus ASAP much like others including scores of Jedi.

You have provided citations to support your argument (yes), but I have provided MUCH NEEDED CONTEXT to these events - a realistic take on things. I am not into merely COPY PASTING information here to make a point, I am trying to tie-in some loose-ends with MUCH NEEDED CONTEXT to Ood's (post-metamorphosis) demonstrations.

Ood have nothing on Tenebrae (The Sith Emperor) in ISOLATION - separate from Ossus. Come on now.

Ood is an ODDITY - he is not even counted among the most powerful Jedi to have ever existed. What he achieved through Ossus, does not represent his own power. Executor Sedriss proved that Ood was very much fallible (weakened or not); both drew from the power of Ossus to achieve the desired effect (cancelled each other out). Just because Kun did not produce a solution for Odd, does not imply that others could not.

Why do sources not declare Ood as the most powerful Force-user ever then?
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Kulvax has made a solid case for Vitiate, so I'll definitely side with Vitiate.
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The Emperor wipes Kun from the face of the galaxy.
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The quality of Kulvaxs case is impossible to ignore.

Vitiate wins. Obviously.


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on Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:31 am
Vitiate.
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on Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:53 pm
Vitiate is the most overrated star wars character in history. Exar Kun stomps
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on Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:44 pm
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Vitiate stomps. Kun is Nyriss level.
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on Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:23 pm
Kun wins.
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on Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:53 pm
Vitiats tbh.
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@Bergmar wrote:Vitiate stomps. Kun is Nyriss level.
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