ANH Darth Vader runs the TPM Council gauntlet

No TCW(2008) material allowed

In no particular order

Yoda
Mace
Yaddle
Saesee Tiin
Oppo Rancisis 
Yarael Poof
Plo Koon
Ki-Adi Mundi
Adi Gallia 
Eeth Koth
Even Piell
Depa Billaba

Can probably take a few of them, but not the majority of them by a long shot. People like Yaddle, Mace and Yoda absolutely stomp him as well.

Loses to Mace and Yoda

Ragdolls everyone else basically

Loses to Mace and Yoda

we all know he loses to yoda and mace .
he probably loses to plo koon as well .
tiin and mundi could probably give him a decent fight .
he clears the rest .

Dies to Yoda and Mace.

Everyone but Mace and Yoda gets steamrolled

Splits with Piell, loses every other round.

Beats everyone except Yoda, with Windu being the only one who puts up something of a fight.

KEK at ANH Vader beating Mace Windu.

That’s TPM Windu

And?

Stomps all but loses to Windu and Yoda. Windu match up could go either way but İ am leaning towards Mace.

If that’s TPM Windu, Vader stomps.

Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Meatpants wrote:Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Considering TCW Windu being inferior to Dooku, I don't see how TPM Windu being capable of defeating Vader. Not to mention that he doesn't have Vaapad which would be his greatest advantage against the Cyborg Sith Lord.

HellfireUnit wrote:

Meatpants wrote:Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Considering TCW Windu being ınferior to Dooku, I don't see how TPM Windu being capable of defeating Vader. Not to mention that he doesn't have Vaapad which would be his greatest advantage against the Cyborg Sith Lord.

ANH vader is inferior to dooku as well .
he was barely better than out of shape old ben kenobi .
dooku would beat either of them . so this doesn´t say much .
ANH vader is weaker than rage amped RoTS anakin (he is even weaker than base jedi RoTS anakin) .
RoTJ vader vs RoTS dooku would actually be a very good fight .

ANH vader vs TPM mace is a good fight but windu takes it
(even without vaapad he is already second most powerful member of the order) .

TPM Windu is comparable to Yoda, and no version of suit Vader could ever touch Yoda.

dark_globe wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Meatpants wrote:Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Considering TCW Windu being ınferior to Dooku, I don't see how TPM Windu being capable of defeating Vader. Not to mention that he doesn't have Vaapad which would be his greatest advantage against the Cyborg Sith Lord.

ANH vader is inferior to dooku as well .
dooku would beat him . so this doesn´t say much .
ANH vader is weaker than rage amped RoTS anakin .
RoTJ vader vs RoTS dooku would actually be a very good fight .

ANH vader vs TPM mace is a good fight but windu takes it
(even without vaapad he is already second most powerful member of the order) .

What makes you think that ANH Vader is weaker than KF Anakin? His dueling skills, strength, stamina, durability, knowledge of the Force are superior to Anakin. Only his agility and mobility are inferior which isn't a real problem for Vader.

TCW Windu being inferior to Dooku is a fact. However what are your assumptions on ANH Vader being inferior to Dooku? ANH Vader is basically superior to KF Anakin in every category except mobility. What makes you think that Dooku would be able to beat Vader when he had hard times matching base Anakin?

Besides that, RotS Anakin was above RotS Windu in tier system. How can TPM Windu who is way less experienced can match a stronger Anakin?

Meatpants wrote:TPM Windu is comparable to Yoda, and no version of suit Vader could ever touch Yoda.

Any statements for TPM Windu being comparable to Yoda? Even post Vaapad Windu is quite below Yoda.

HellfireUnit wrote:

dark_globe wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Meatpants wrote:Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Considering TCW Windu being ınferior to Dooku, I don't see how TPM Windu being capable of defeating Vader. Not to mention that he doesn't have Vaapad which would be his greatest advantage against the Cyborg Sith Lord.

ANH vader is inferior to dooku as well .
dooku would beat him . so this doesn´t say much .
ANH vader is weaker than rage amped RoTS anakin .
RoTJ vader vs RoTS dooku would actually be a very good fight .

ANH vader vs TPM mace is a good fight but windu takes it
(even without vaapad he is already second most powerful member of the order) .

What makes you think that ANH Vader is weaker than KF Anakin? His dueling skills, strength, stamina, durability, knowledge of the Force are superior to Anakin. Only his agility and mobility are inferior which isn't a real problem for Vader.

TCW Windu being inferior to Dooku is a fact. However what are your assumptions on ANH Vader being inferior to Dooku? ANH Vader is basically superior to KF Anakin in every category except mobility. What makes you think that Dooku would be able to beat Vader when he had hard times matching base Anakin?

Besides that, RotS Anakin was above RotS Windu in tier system. How can TPM Windu who is way less experienced can match a stronger Anakin?

LOL at ANH vader being stronger or better duelist than KF vader / rage amped RoTS anakin .
and better stamina ? are you kidding me ? IH anakin was getting stronger and stronger all the while he was exhausting dooku in their duel .
ANH vader could not even breathe without his suit (unless he was using the force to sustain his breathing if his suit was damaged)
KF vader would pummel and overpower ANH vader in the same fasion he did dooku .
post mustafar vader struggled against much weaker enemies than dooku on more than one occasion .
besides suit vader never faced anyone even close to dookus level until RoTJ luke (who is inferior to rage boosted anakin)
and he lost (yes i know reasons: he was holding back but still he lost)

dark_globe wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

dark_globe wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Meatpants wrote:Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Considering TCW Windu being ınferior to Dooku, I don't see how TPM Windu being capable of defeating Vader. Not to mention that he doesn't have Vaapad which would be his greatest advantage against the Cyborg Sith Lord.

ANH vader is inferior to dooku as well .
dooku would beat him . so this doesn´t say much .
ANH vader is weaker than rage amped RoTS anakin .
RoTJ vader vs RoTS dooku would actually be a very good fight .

ANH vader vs TPM mace is a good fight but windu takes it
(even without vaapad he is already second most powerful member of the order) .

What makes you think that ANH Vader is weaker than KF Anakin? His dueling skills, strength, stamina, durability, knowledge of the Force are superior to Anakin. Only his agility and mobility are inferior which isn't a real problem for Vader.

TCW Windu being inferior to Dooku is a fact. However what are your assumptions on ANH Vader being inferior to Dooku? ANH Vader is basically superior to KF Anakin in every category except mobility. What makes you think that Dooku would be able to beat Vader when he had hard times matching base Anakin?

Besides that, RotS Anakin was above RotS Windu in tier system. How can TPM Windu who is way less experienced can match a stronger Anakin?

LOL at ANH vader being stronger or better duelist than KF vader / rage amped RoTS anakin .
KF vader would pummel and overpower ANH vader in the same fasion he did dooku .
post mustafar vader struggled against much weaker enemies than dooku on more than one occasion .
besides suit vader never faced anyone even close to dookus level until RoTJ luke (who is inferior to rage boosted anakin)
and he lost (yes i know reasons: he was holding back but still he lost)

How in the hell ANH Vader is a worse duelist than KF Anakin? He inherited the same knowledge and skill he possessed before and improved his techniques, for about 19 years, lol. Vader being capable of shattering pillars, ripping out doors, snapping necks etc. are way above Anakin's strength feats.

Also post suit Vader struggled against 8 Jedi, that is true. But you do realize that it is a month after RotS? He is extremely unstable and didn't get used to his injuries and suit. Still, he managed to overpower them and even kill one instantly with a single strike. Tanked being hit by sabers and hold a Jedi Master mid air for troopers to shoot down while laying on the ground with his limbs being teared off.

So how come Anakin defeats this beast with incredible strength, ferocity, stamina, knowledge and techniques? In the meantime he required clones' help to clear the Jedi Temple, Cin Drallig. Not to mention that he is a total noob when it comes to Force powers.

Gets stomped by Yoda, Windu. Loses to Yaddle. Probably beats the rest, though Mundi, Koon, Rancisis, Tiin, and maybe Poof give him hell and come close to splitting.

Dies to Mace.

HellfireUnit wrote:

dark_globe wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

dark_globe wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:

Meatpants wrote:Lol at the TPM Windu lowball

Considering TCW Windu being ınferior to Dooku, I don't see how TPM Windu being capable of defeating Vader. Not to mention that he doesn't have Vaapad which would be his greatest advantage against the Cyborg Sith Lord.

ANH vader is inferior to dooku as well .
dooku would beat him . so this doesn´t say much .
ANH vader is weaker than rage amped RoTS anakin .
RoTJ vader vs RoTS dooku would actually be a very good fight .

ANH vader vs TPM mace is a good fight but windu takes it
(even without vaapad he is already second most powerful member of the order) .

What makes you think that ANH Vader is weaker than KF Anakin? His dueling skills, strength, stamina, durability, knowledge of the Force are superior to Anakin. Only his agility and mobility are inferior which isn't a real problem for Vader.

TCW Windu being inferior to Dooku is a fact. However what are your assumptions on ANH Vader being inferior to Dooku? ANH Vader is basically superior to KF Anakin in every category except mobility. What makes you think that Dooku would be able to beat Vader when he had hard times matching base Anakin?

Besides that, RotS Anakin was above RotS Windu in tier system. How can TPM Windu who is way less experienced can match a stronger Anakin?

LOL at ANH vader being stronger or better duelist than KF vader / rage amped RoTS anakin .
KF vader would pummel and overpower ANH vader in the same fasion he did dooku .
post mustafar vader struggled against much weaker enemies than dooku on more than one occasion .
besides suit vader never faced anyone even close to dookus level until RoTJ luke (who is inferior to rage boosted anakin)
and he lost (yes i know reasons: he was holding back but still he lost)

How in the hell ANH Vader is a worse duelist than KF Anakin? He inherited the same knowledge and skill he possessed before and improved his techniques, for about 19 years, lol. Vader being capable of shattering pillars, ripping out doors, snapping necks etc. are way above Anakin's strength feats.

Also post suit Vader struggled against 8 Jedi, that is true. But you do realize that it is a month after RotS? He is extremely unstable and didn't get used to his injuries and suit. Still, he managed to overpower them and even kill one instantly with a single strike. Tanked being hit by sabers and hold a Jedi Master mid air for troopers to shoot down while laying on the ground with his limbs being teared off.

So how come Anakin defeats this beast with incredible strength, ferocity, stamina, knowledge and techniques? In the meantime he required clones' help to clear the Jedi Temple, Cin Drallig. Not to mention that he is a total noob when it comes to Force powers.

ANH vader inhereting his prior knowledge is irrelevant when it comes to dueling ,
because he can´t fight in the same fasion he fought before ,
if anything it makes him weaker at first because he had to completely reinvent his fighting style when it comes to lightsaber combat .
KF vader would demolish ANH vader in a duel .
RoTJ vader is the only post suit version of vader capable of being a serious threat to KF vader .