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QuakeBlood
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 4:55 pm
Who wins this Knights of the Old Republic antagonist face off? 

Darth Malak fully amped with the power of the Star Forge, as seen in the ending of Knights of the Old Republic.
-or-
Darth Traya fully amped from the Dark Side nexus of Malchor V, as seem in the ending of Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 5:01 pm
Malak slaps lmao.
MasterCilghal
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 5:07 pm
Traya in that state is Exile+ in power, while Malak is sub- KOTOR Revan by a lot. Although I think Revan>>Meetra and therefore Malak>Traya it’s good fight since how each of the two compares with heir relative opponents.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 5:08 pm
Malak
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 5:27 pm
Malak is a pussy but he beats Traya.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 5:56 pm
Given the gargantuan gap between Nyriss and Traya, and that Novel Revan is easily capable of capturing and launching energies that can instantly disintegrate Nyriss, (as opposed to his brutal affair with Malak), Malak probably defeats Traya in a single attack.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 8:51 pm
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:Given the gargantuan gap between Nyriss and Traya, and that Novel Revan is easily capable of capturing and launching energies that can instantly disintegrate Nyriss, (as opposed to his brutal affair with Malak), Malak probably defeats Traya in a single attack.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 9:16 pm
Malachor V is practically confirmed to be > Star Forge, better yet Traya was clearly a challenge for an early Darth Nihilus who shits on Malak. Traya wins.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 9:16 pm
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:Given the gargantuan gap between Nyriss and Traya, and that Novel Revan is easily capable of capturing and launching energies that can instantly disintegrate Nyriss, (as opposed to his brutal affair with Malak), Malak probably defeats Traya in a single attack.
None of that is true.

I debunked that gap in a post you haven't replied to.

Nyriss' power channelled for 20 seconds > what she can instantly employ, that's like the most obvious thing here. That doesn't mean Nyriss >> Nyriss.

Malak is absolutely not >>> Traya, this is cancer.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 9:29 pm
Malak stomps.
AncientPower
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 9:31 pm
Trayus!Traya > Traya >> pre-KOTOR 2 Traya ~ pre-KOTOR 2 Nihilus >> SF! Malak.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 10:54 pm
LadyKulvax wrote:Trayus!Traya > Traya >> pre-KOTOR 2 Traya ~ pre-KOTOR 2 Nihilus >> SF! Malak.

Nope.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 11:14 pm
Nyriss was beating the exile on Dromund Kaas. Traya lost despite meetra having fought through Sion and the sith academy prior to their duel. Its pretty obvious nyriss>traya.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 11:25 pm
Wasn't Nyriss blitzing Meetra and Scourge in sabers simultaneously?
QuakeBlood
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 3rd 2019, 11:45 pm
KingofBlades wrote:Traya lost despite meetra having fought through Sion and the sith academy prior to their duel.

Well, the Exile does absorb energy from each one that she kills.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 12:55 am
So I may as well make the argument here, Darth Revan appears to value Malachor V's power so much that he hides it from Malak, whereas he allows Malak full access to the Star Forge:


Chronicles of the Old Republic wrote:Revan's power continues to grow, and he secretly strengthens his stronghold, hiding it even from his apprentice, DARTH MALAK. Soon, the evil force infecting the planet became the FORGE for Darth Revan's shock troops; the feared SITH ASSASSINS - fallen Jedi, tempted and cajoled by the evil of Malachor V, and under Revan's evil command. Soon, a shadow academy to the one on Korriban is constructed; and an evil enclave mirroring the Jedi academy on Dantooine is complete.


Now this is an implication, admittedly, but there's really no other explanation here. Yet this iteration of Malachor V isn't even as strong as the one in the game, due to the mass slaughter:


Kreia wrote:[size=36]"[/size][size=36]There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on its surface—drowns them in the power of the dark side. It corrupts all life, and it feeds on death.[/size][size=36]"[/size]

So one can make the argument that Malachor V > Star Forge. That's just the first thing, and least consequential.

It takes both Sion and Nihilus to drain Traya:

KotOR Campaign Guide wrote:"Ousting Traya with Sion's help, Nihilus binges on the Force, nearly extinguishing the Jedi forever at Katarr."

KotOR Campaign Guide wrote:They turn on her and drain her Force powers.

This at least indicates that, at the very least, Nihilus can't take out Traya as easily without Sion's help.

But perhaps the most important indicator we have is that Nihilus couldn't kill Sion with an enraged dark Force wave:



KotOR 2 Script wrote:Nihilus turns, dark wave energy exploding from him, blasting Sion back, as supports smash down around him. It would be awesome if Sith soldiers are hurled about by Nihilus' power, or are disintegrated as he attacks Sion. Sion stalks off, disgusted.



[size=34]Yet on Malachor V where Sion is not only far more powerful, but practically invulnerable and unkillable:[/size]



Darth Sion wrote:[size=32]"[/size][size=36]Now you realize the true power of the dark side. As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I cannot be killed.[/size][size=32]"[/size]



Darth Traya casually chokes him out and proves that his strength is as worthless as her severed hand compared to herself:



Darth Traya wrote:[size=32]"[/size][size=36]No, you simply did not learn the lesson I sought to teach - that your strength is as meaningless as the strength of my hand.[/size][size=32]"[/size]


[size=32]Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) 3873949-9dgr0
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[size=32]So what's that about Malak one-shotting where Nihilus couldn't? Lmfao.[/size]
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 12:55 am
Meatpants wrote:Wasn't Nyriss blitzing Meetra and Scourge in sabers simultaneously?

Nyriss didn't blitz Meetra at all.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 12:57 am
QuakeBlood wrote:
KingofBlades wrote:Traya lost despite meetra having fought through Sion and the sith academy prior to their duel.

Well, the Exile does absorb energy from each one that she kills.

I've slaughtered this claim dozens of times, do I really have to do it again?
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 1:08 am
LadyKulvax wrote:
QuakeBlood wrote:
KingofBlades wrote:Traya lost despite meetra having fought through Sion and the sith academy prior to their duel.

Well, the Exile does absorb energy from each one that she kills.

I've slaughtered this claim dozens of times, do I really have to do it again?
Which claim r u referring to.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 1:10 am
The idea that the Exile somehow replenishes her energy with every kill. That's not how it works.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 1:24 am
KingofBlades wrote:Nyriss was beating the exile on Dromund Kaas. Traya lost despite meetra having fought through Sion and the sith academy prior to their duel. Its pretty obvious nyriss>traya.
Nyriss was winning with an amplification that equally hindered Meetra who had yet to fully recover from the trip to Nathema given the monumental psychic trauma that entailed.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 1:30 am
LadyKulvax wrote:
KingofBlades wrote:Nyriss was beating the exile on Dromund Kaas. Traya lost despite meetra having fought through Sion and the sith academy prior to their duel. Its pretty obvious nyriss>traya.
Nyriss was winning with an amplification that equally hindered Meetra who had yet to fully recover from the trip to Nathema given the monumental psychic trauma that entailed.
Yes but traya and the exile were likewise amplified and hindered respectively on malachor 5 as well. So while fighting in very similar circumstances, Nyriss outperformed Traya. There's also no evidence that meetra's experience on Nathema had any lasting negative effects on her.
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August 4th 2019, 1:37 am
The difference being that Surik had overcome the trauma of Malachor V, allowing her to subsequently defeat Traya and the Sith, per the novel.

Drew went out of his way to establish that Nathema was the most horrific experience of her life and that it dwarfed the trauma that she overcame on Malachor V, which was worse than the trauma that had caused her ten years of mental damage which can majorly effect how someone can focus on their power. She got better after that when with Revan.
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Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V) Empty Re: Darth Malak (Star Forge) vs Darth Traya (Malachor V)

August 4th 2019, 2:13 am
LadyKulvax wrote:The difference being that Surik had overcome the trauma of Malachor V, allowing her to subsequently defeat Traya and the Sith, per the novel.

Drew went out of his way to establish that Nathema was the most horrific experience of her life and that it dwarfed the trauma that she overcame on Malachor V, which was worse than the trauma that had caused her ten years of mental damage which can majorly effect how someone can focus on their power. She got better after that when with Revan.
That doesn't mean Malachor V's nexus stopped hindering her. Having just done a quick re read of the portions of the novel where Meetra is on Dromund Kaas, there is absolutely no evidence in the novel that nathema had any lasting negative effects on her. The only instance Meetra is stated to have difficulty connecting to the force the cause is attributed solely to Dromund Kaas's nexus with no mention of any lasting effects caused by her visit to Nathema. If Nathema really had such a powerful lasting effect on her the novel would've mentioned it. There is also no evidence in the novel that she was "fixed" after she was reunited with Revan. So unless you have author statements, your idea of Meetra being hindered by her experience on Nathema after she left it is pure headcanon rationalization.


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August 4th 2019, 2:49 am
DarthAnt66 wrote:Malak stomps.
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