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Seturna
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Ivaar Workan vs Saba Sebatyne Empty Ivaar Workan vs Saba Sebatyne

on October 20th 2020, 1:52 pm
Standard rules.
HellfireUnit
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on October 20th 2020, 2:11 pm
Saba murders
Vaelias
Vaelias

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on October 20th 2020, 3:25 pm
Saba Wins

Darth Caedus was stated to be the most powerful sith in 41 ABY. Making him more powerful than Darish Vol

“Darth Caedus the most powerful of the Sith Lords”
—First Look: Blood Oath

This makes Darth Caedus more powerful than anyone in the lost Tribe, Saba was also stated to be one of the only Jedi Caedus was afraid to face

The Slick Obi
The Slick Obi

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on October 20th 2020, 4:03 pm
Look, I do not care at all about the outcome of this battle, but people have to stop using a quote from a teaser to a CANCELLED BOOK. Seriously, it isn't even in non-canon territory, it is in "technically doesn't exist" territory.
HeartoftheForce
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on October 20th 2020, 5:17 pm
Given that Ivaar actually legitimately contended with on point Luke (even if briefly and losing soundly) and Saba is only slightly superior to Caedus Ivaar wins here handily.
Vaelias
Vaelias

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on October 20th 2020, 9:26 pm
@The Slick Obi wrote:Look, I do not care at all about the outcome of this battle, but people have to stop using a quote from a teaser to a CANCELLED BOOK. Seriously, it isn't even in non-canon territory, it is in "technically doesn't exist" territory.

What are you referring to?
Vaelias
Vaelias

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on October 20th 2020, 9:29 pm
@HeartoftheForce wrote:Given that Ivaar actually legitimately contended with on point Luke (even if briefly and losing soundly) and Saba is only slightly superior to Caedus Ivaar wins here handily.

Lumiya contended with Luke, it doesn’t mean anything briefly contending it just makes them a competent duelist and that they aren’t a complete bitch, you said yourself that Saba is slightly superior to Caedus but Caedus is more powerful than Darish Vol who was more powerful than Ivvar, also in Luke’s duel with Ivaar he noted that he was like Kyle, who luke has stomped in combat, Luke was pretty much toying with Ivaar
The Slick Obi
The Slick Obi

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on October 20th 2020, 9:33 pm
@Vaelias wrote:
@The Slick Obi wrote:Look, I do not care at all about the outcome of this battle, but people have to stop using a quote from a teaser to a CANCELLED BOOK. Seriously, it isn't even in non-canon territory, it is in "technically doesn't exist" territory.

What are you referring to?

Blood Oath was never released. Meaning any quote associated with it should be null & void.
HeartoftheForce
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on October 20th 2020, 9:34 pm
Wow there's a lot wrong to unpack there

Lumiya contended with Luke, it doesn’t mean anything briefly contending it just makes them a competent duelist and that they aren’t a complete bitch

Lumiya contended with Luke when he was a mental wreck who could barely call on the force at the time. 

Caedus is more powerful than Darish Vol who was more powerful than Ivvar,

The non-canon blurb to a cancelled book does not count for anything. Even if he did. Given Vol's vastly superior feats and scaling it would just mean he went through dramatic growth in the years between Jacen's death and FotJ.


also in Luke’s duel with Ivaar he noted that he was like Kyle

Viun Galaan was who Luke thought was like Kyle and Viun is confirmed fodder to Ivar. So no again.
Vaelias
Vaelias

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on October 20th 2020, 10:32 pm
@HeartoftheForce wrote:Wow there's a lot wrong to unpack there

Lumiya contended with Luke, it doesn’t mean anything briefly contending it just makes them a competent duelist and that they aren’t a complete bitch

Lumiya contended with Luke when he was a mental wreck who could barely call on the force at the time. 

Caedus is more powerful than Darish Vol who was more powerful than Ivvar,

The non-canon blurb to a cancelled book does not count for anything. Even if he did. Given Vol's vastly superior feats and scaling it would just mean he went through dramatic growth in the years between Jacen's death and FotJ.


also in Luke’s duel with Ivaar he noted that he was like Kyle

Viun Galaan was who Luke thought was like Kyle and Viun is confirmed fodder to Ivar. So no again.

What feats and scaling, Vol has like 1 line of scaling and like a few feats that aren’t anything amazing certainly nothing meeting Caedus’

Thanks for correcting me on that one but either way aside from Vol who I wouldn’t even place too high as he’s too vague, the rest of the lost tribe aren’t anything too special aside from post pool Taalon

The only real thing we have to gauge the power of Ivar is that he was long overdue the rank of high lord which means he was close to Taalon who Vol was weary of, but that doesn’t mean too much as Sidious was weary of Ventress and Luke as of TESB an obviously they weren’t about to surpass him, also we have the fact that Sidious as of ROTS is the most powerful sith of all time, and Vader was 80% of Sidious in ROTJ and Caedus was more powerful than Vader as of ROTJ meaning that he is more than 80% of ROTJ Palpatine which Likely means he’s approaching ROTS Sidious power
HeartoftheForce
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on October 21st 2020, 7:53 am
What feats and scaling, Vol has like 1 line of scaling and like a few feats that aren’t anything amazing certainly nothing meeting Caedus’

Vol contending with Abeloth and having "much of" the power of Luke is more than Caedus could ever dream of. 

Nevermind that amped prime Caedus was overpowered in seconds by Kyle Katarn. Whom by Luke's assessment is even with Viun, who is fodder to Ivar who is fodder to Vol. 

So there is not one but two lines of scaling to place Caedus several stomp gaps under Vol. 


but that doesn’t mean too much as Sidious was weary of Ventress

Sids wasn't weary of Ventress. Filoni has confirmed that. He was weary of Dooku with Ventress if she continued to grow

and Vader was 80% of Sidious in ROTJ

False. Lucas only states that Vader has the potential to be 80% of Sids. Never that he attained that potential. Which considering Lucas also stated that Sids could kill Vader with "a wave of his hand". It's very clear Vader was in no way comparable to him. Let alone 80%


Caedus was more powerful than Vader as of ROTJ

There is nothing to place Caedus above Vader. Not a single feat or accolade. The closest thing is a book blurb. Which have been confirmed as subjective by Leland Chee and therefore means nothing. 

Pre-Prime Vader stomped Aurra Sing while an aging, weaker version of Sing overpowered Caedus. So no Caedus is not near Vader and we have a direct comparison to confirm it.
Sjuttiosju
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on October 21st 2020, 4:12 pm
I see the circus of anti-Caedus losers is still parading around the forum and thinking it doesn't look stupid. Ah well, I'll see to them soon enough once my SS post is finished.
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