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NotAA3
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on June 24th 2020, 8:14 am
@Darth Zanos

If you accept that this is canon, then why do people here not accept Rey Skywalker being more powerful than Palpatine?

If we're talking about ALL!THE!JEDI Rey, then yes, I do accept her being more powerful than Palpatine.

Especially since that happened in canon as well. In fact, it happened in the current canon, not the legends canon. It seems people pick and choose what they consider to be canon based on the characters they like.

I accept that as canon in Current Canon, and the Revan Novel as part of EU Canon; I'm not guilty of a double standard here.
Darth Zanos
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on June 24th 2020, 8:18 am
@NotAA3 wrote:@Darth Zanos

If you accept that this is canon, then why do people here not accept Rey Skywalker being more powerful than Palpatine?

If we're talking about ALL!THE!JEDI Rey, then yes, I do accept her being more powerful than Palpatine.

Especially since that happened in canon as well. In fact, it happened in the current canon, not the legends canon. It seems people pick and choose what they consider to be canon based on the characters they like.

I accept that as canon in Current Canon, and the Revan Novel as part of EU Canon; I'm not guilty of a double standard here.
Thanks for accepting both. I saw some people wouldn't recognize Rey's accomplishments on this site. By the way, why is all the Jedi Rey different from just Rey, it's the same person and there wasn't an indication that she reverted back to her abilities from episode 8. As far as I am concerned, All the Jedi Rey is just Rey from episode 9 onwards, when she realized her true potential.
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on June 24th 2020, 8:21 am
@Darth Zanos

Thanks for accepting both. I saw some people wouldn't recognize Rey's accomplishments on this site.

K.

By the way, why is all the Jedi Rey different from just Rey, it's the same person and there wasn't an indication that she reverted back to her abilities from episode 8. As far as I am concerned, All the Jedi Rey is just Rey from episode 9 onwards, when she realized her true potential.

I never said her abilities reverted back to the way they are in Episode 8; she can probably harness the power of all the Jedi at will. I merely clarified ALL!THE!JEDI Rey, to emphasise that it isn't - strictly speaking - her power, in case you thought that.
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on June 24th 2020, 8:31 am
@NotAA3 wrote:@Darth Zanos

Thanks for accepting both. I saw some people wouldn't recognize Rey's accomplishments on this site.

K.

By the way, why is all the Jedi Rey different from just Rey, it's the same person and there wasn't an indication that she reverted back to her abilities from episode 8. As far as I am concerned, All the Jedi Rey is just Rey from episode 9 onwards, when she realized her true potential.

I never said her abilities reverted back to the way they are in Episode 8; she can probably harness the power of all the Jedi at will. I merely clarified ALL!THE!JEDI Rey, to emphasise that it isn't - strictly speaking - her power, in case you thought that.

The force is all around them. It works in mysterious ways. Why do you feel the need to say that it isn't her power? If it is power that she can use, then it is her power.

That's like saying Anakin's power isn't his because it comes from Darth Plagueis. No one calls Anakin, Plagueis Anakin because Plagueis gave him some of his power.
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on June 24th 2020, 8:36 am
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Darth Zanos
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on June 24th 2020, 8:38 am

Concession accepted 😉
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on June 24th 2020, 8:41 am
@Darth Zanos

The force is all around them. It works in mysterious ways. Why do you feel the need to say that it isn't her power? If it is power that she can use, then it is her power.

I feel the need to say it isn't her power because, well... it isn't; it's an external amplification which comes from all past Jedi. Whether or not she can tap into that power is irrelevant to the point that it isn't her own; she isn't the source of it. Likewise, for a Legends example, I'd note that UnuThul's power isn't his own; he's backed by a trillion Force Users (even if he can tap into that power at will).

That's like saying Anakin's power isn't his because it comes from Darth Plagueis. No one calls Anakin, Plagueis Anakin because Plagueis gave him some of his power.

What??? Citation needed for Anakin's power coming from Plagueis.


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Darth Zanos
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on June 24th 2020, 8:43 am
@NotAA3 wrote:@Darth Zanos

The force is all around them. It works in mysterious ways. Why do you feel the need to say that it isn't her power? If it is power that she can use, then it is her power.

I feel the need to say it isn't her power because, well... it isn't; it's an external amplification which comes from all past Jedi. Whether or not she can tap into that power is irrelevant to the point that it isn't her own; she isn't the source of it. Likewise, for a Legends example, I'd note that UnuThul's power isn't his own; he's backed by a trillion Force Users.

That's like saying Anakin's power isn't his because it comes from Darth Plagueis. No one calls Anakin, Plagueis Anakin because Plagueis gave him some of his power.

What??? Citation needed for Anakin's power coming from Plagueis.

It is from here https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Experiment
NotAA3
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on June 24th 2020, 8:44 am
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Wiki articles aren't canon in any continuity, my friend.
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on June 24th 2020, 8:48 am
@NotAA3 wrote:Meetra Surik vs Arcann - Page 2 39523600

Wiki articles aren't canon in any continuity, my friend.

It is from the Darth Plagueis novel, but I have not read that since I do not have it so I am using the wiki as a summary. You can find the referenced chapters from the novel under the Notes and References section.
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on June 24th 2020, 8:50 am
@Darth Zanos wrote:
@NotAA3 wrote:Meetra Surik vs Arcann - Page 2 39523600

Wiki articles aren't canon in any continuity, my friend.

It is from the Darth Plagueis novel, but I have not read that since I do not have it so I am using the wiki as a summary. You can find the referenced chapters from the novel under the Notes and References section.

Meetra Surik vs Arcann - Page 2 39523600

The point is it's not canonical. And no, it's not directly stated that's the case in the novel (I've actually read it).
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on June 24th 2020, 9:04 am
@NotAA3 wrote:
@Darth Zanos wrote:
@NotAA3 wrote:Meetra Surik vs Arcann - Page 2 39523600

Wiki articles aren't canon in any continuity, my friend.

It is from the Darth Plagueis novel, but I have not read that since I do not have it so I am using the wiki as a summary. You can find the referenced chapters from the novel under the Notes and References section.

Meetra Surik vs Arcann - Page 2 39523600

The point is it's not canonical. And no, it's not directly stated that's the case in the novel (I've actually read it).

Ignoring the reactions of apprehensive residents and wary security  personnel,  Plagueis  hastened  along  a  plush corridor  in  500  Republica  toward  Palpatine’s  suite  of crimson  rooms.  He  had  planned  to  be  at  the  Senate Building to hear Amidala’s call for a vote of no-confidence in Valorum, which would strike the first death knell for the Republic.  At  the  last  moment,  however,  Palpatine  had contacted him to recount a conversation he had had with Dooku. The fact that Qui-Gon Jinn had identified Maul as a Sith was to be expected; but Dooku’s news about a human boy at the center of a vergence of the Force had come as ashock.  More,  Qui-Gon  saw  the  boy  as  the  Jedi’s prophesied Chosen One!

He had to see this Anakin Skywalker for himself; had to sense  him  for  himself.  He  had  to  know  if  the  Force  had struck  back  again,  nine  years  earlier,  by  conceiving a human being to restore balance to the galaxy.

Nine  years  old  ...  Conceived  by  the  Force  ...  Is  it possible ...

The past two quotes are from the book.

This was 9 years after the experiments conducted by Plagueis and Sidious as I'm sure you remember, which strongly implies that the experiments lead to the creation of Anakin.
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on June 24th 2020, 9:11 am
@Darth Zanos

The fact that the experiment(s) led to the creation of Anakin doesn't suggest his power came from Plagueis (lmao). The reason Anakin was created was because the Force needed balance, and thus it struck back in response to Plagueis and Sidious unbalancing it - it had nothing to do with Plagueis's own power creating Anakin.
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on June 24th 2020, 9:34 am
While I definitely disagree that the HoT was > the Voice at its full power - in my opinion, he only even approached this around the beginning of or mid way through KOTFE (still haven't seen evidence that the Voice is massively weaker than Vitiate beyond theories) - it doesn't matter. Arcann scales massively above Meetra.
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on June 24th 2020, 2:06 pm

I would like to hear your opinion)
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on June 24th 2020, 2:22 pm
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Arcann probably oneshots.
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on June 24th 2020, 4:48 pm
The Scourge comparison is really weird and doesn't really hold up.

That said Meetra is pretty much canonically denied from being relevant here. There's just too many degrees of separation.
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