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on Tue 18 Jun - 13:54
Corran Horn vs Darth Nox

Kyle Katarn vs Darth Nyriss

Mara Jade Skywalker vs Darth Malgus

Kyp Durron vs Darth Jadus

Jaina Solo vs Darth Baras

Cilghal vs Darth Thanaton

K'Kruhk vs Darth Decimus

Kol Skywalker vs Darth Marr

Grand Master Luke vs Valkorion + The Dread Masters (All 6)
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on Tue 18 Jun - 14:07
1.Darth Nox.
2.Darth Nyriss.
3.Darth Malgus.
4.Kyp Durron.
5.Jaina Solo.
6.Darth Thanaton.
7.K'Kruhk.
8.Darth Marr.
9.Highly debatable.
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on Tue 18 Jun - 14:58
1. Nox ragdolls
2. Either way, leaning Nyriss
3. Close, but Malgus
4. Kyp ragdolls
5. Jaina
6. Thanaton solidly/easily
7. K'kruhk, solidly/easily
8. Marr, solidly/easily
9. Luke
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on Tue 18 Jun - 17:12
1. Nox
2. Katarn
3. Mara
4. Kyp
5. Baras
6. Thanaton
7. K'kruhk
8. Marr
9. Luke
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on Wed 19 Jun - 8:38
1. Nox, unless Corran makes good use of his tutaminis
2.Katarn
3.leaning Malgus, but an argument can be made for Mara
4. Kyp
5.Baras stomps
6. Cilghal one-shots
7.K’kruhk
8.Marr
9.Luke
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on Wed 19 Jun - 16:53
1.Nox smashes.
2.Kyle wrecks.
3.Malgus tools her.
4.Kyp destroys him.
5.Baras slaughters the scrub.
6.Thanaton wrecks.
7.K'kruhk takes it.
8.Marr cleanly.
9.Luke, obviously.
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on Thu 20 Jun - 2:56
Arguments for Luke > prime Tenebrae? Even Nihilus has comparable feats, to be honest.
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on Thu 20 Jun - 5:08
TOR loses

Totj < KOTOR << Tor <<<<...<<< Banite era < PT < OT < NR < VW < NJO ~> LOTF
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on Thu 20 Jun - 6:20
You're literally ignoring objective statements in lore trying to push an era wars argument that doesn't make sense anyway.
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on Thu 20 Jun - 20:28
Nox

Probably Nyriss

Malgus ragdolls

Kyp wins

Probably Jaina?

Thanaton

K'Kruhk most likely

Marr stomps

Probably Luke
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on Sun 26 Jan - 12:59
Corran Horn vs Darth Nox - Nox should take this by merit of sorcery and superior raw power.

Kyle Katarn vs Darth Nyriss - Nyriss curbing Meetra is way better than anything Kyle has to his name, Nyriss takes this.

Mara Jade Skywalker vs Darth Malgus - Malgus as of Onslaught decimates in a curbstomp. FE Stomps, Deceived loses badly though.

Kyp Durron vs Darth Jadus - In a raw power shitting contest, both of these guys have great stuff to their name, but I'd have to hand it to Kyp because of how much better his Dovin Basal feat is.

Jaina Solo vs Darth Baras - Jaina probably takes this one tbh.

Cilghal vs Darth Thanaton - Thanaton's shown way better than being a "comparatively diffident duelist" (Sorry MC), he stomps. 

K'Kruhk vs Darth Decimus - I have no idea, but probably Decimus because of some of the accolades he's received.

Kol Skywalker vs Darth Marr - Marr literally curbstomps.

Grand Master Luke vs Valkorion + The Dread Masters (All 6) - Probably Luke. The Dread are all said to be pretty much nothing compared to SWTOR Vitiate (and by extension, SoR Revan), and we can all agree Luke oneshots Revan. Valk vs Luke would be interesting, but Luke really has far greater raw power, skill with a saber, etc. Valk has an advantage in sorcery and the like, but Luke's raw power advantage is far too much.
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on Sun 26 Jan - 13:55
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IG (exists) wrote:Cilghal vs Darth Thanaton - Thanaton's shown way better than being a "comparatively diffident duelist" (Sorry MC), he stomps. 

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, as I’m not really familiar with Thanaton’s feats (though based on what I know he should take this). However, I disagree that the quote you provided somehow shows that Cilghal is an inept combatant, in fact I don’t think it’s even usable to cap her below Kyp/Katarn as a duelist. In fact, I recently wrote out an argument, that I ended up not posting, addressing the matter: 

As noted in an overwhelming amount of sources, Cilghal prefers a peaceful resolution to any conflict and is generally disinclined to use a lightsaber in combat: 

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(Source: new jedi order sourcebook) 

This introduces us to and fits perfectly with her two main accolades: 

First, Jacen, Tenel Ka and Zekk by 24 aby are impressed by the power Cilghal possesses as a Jedi knight: 


Crisis at crystal reef wrote:Jacen's spirits were rising too, not only because he enjoyed doing something useful during a flight, but also because Tenel Ka was there working beside him. And because they had found a solid lead as to Anja's whereabouts.
"Jacen, my friend, did you not say you knew someone who could assist us on Mon Calamari?" Tenel Ka said once they were well under way.
"Right. Her name is Ambassador Cilghal. Guess I ought to send her a message to see if she's there right now and if she has time to work with us."
"Cilghal?" Zekk said. "Didn't she used to be a student of Master Skywalker's, back in the early days of the academy?"
Tenel Ka looked interested. "She is a Jedi and an Ambassador?"
"Yeah. A Jedi healer and an Ambassador. The only one that I've heard of, so far," Jacen said. "But Cilghal is so quiet and gentle, you'd never know she has all that power." For the next few minutes he busied himself sending a communiqud that explained their current mission and requested Cilghal's help. Moments after the Rock Dragon dropped out of hyperspace into the Calamari system, they received the Ambassador's answer.


Essentially, Cilghal is powerful in her own right, but her personality and  manners prevents anyone around from noticing said power. 

Same for another, more famous, quote: 

  
Backlash wrote:He was good; Luke gave him that. He might have been a match for an expert swordsmaster such as Kyp or Kyle Katarn. He would have been too much for a comparatively diffident duelist such as Cilghal, or even Luke as he had been back at Sinkhole Station, at low ebb in physical and mental strength.

The fact that Luke uses “comparatively diffident” and not deficient or lacking is telling. I do think it refers to the idea that Cilghal’s mentality prevents her from bringing her full skill to bare under normal circumstances, but it does not necessarily lock her behind Katarn and Kyp, as in a situation in which she’s highly motivated (such as this fight, in which her life would be at risk). Or consider Luke, another “diffident” duelist. Under normal circumstances we can agree that he vastly exceeds Katarn and Kyp, however his mental state when he was on Sinkhole station, prevented him from effectively employing his abilities, which, by extension, would also apply to Cilghal. An example of this is her fight with the Jedi knight Sonthais Saar, wherein as soon as she decided the fight had to end, so it happened, something that I’ve already explained in the past, so i won’t be reiterating it here. 
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on Sun 26 Jan - 13:58
@MasterCilghal That's a fair point, I was just using the "comparatively diffident" point to drive home that she's not the greatest of combatants (not that she's a fodder one, but she clearly isn't the best), and that Thanaton's stuff is far superior to Cilghal's rather lackluster combat skills.
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on Sun 26 Jan - 14:04
IG (exists) wrote:and that Thanaton's stuff is far superior to Cilghal's rather lackluster combat skills.

You’ve yet to prove that (1)Cilghal’s combat skills are lackluster and that (2)Thanaton’s are better though. I Haven’t seen anything impressive from him when it comes to lightsaber combat, but I’m willing to be convinced. Note that what Cilghal brings to the table is a superiors to all jedi knights and the ability to make short work of a Jedi knight, himself capable of quickly taking down mandalorian supercommandos.
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on Sun 26 Jan - 17:29
luke solos :P
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on Sun 26 Jan - 17:34
Corran Horn vs Darth Nox = Nox.

Kyle Katarn vs Darth Nyriss = Nyriss.

Mara Jade Skywalker vs Darth Malgus = If prime Malgus, he ragdolls. FE stomps. Deceived wins in a good fight.

Kyp Durron vs Darth Jadus = Durron. Jadus lost to Cipher Nine in CQC.

Jaina Solo vs Darth Baras = Baras stomps.

Cilghal vs Darth Thanaton = Thanaton, probably.

K'Kruhk vs Darth Decimus = No clue.

Kol Skywalker vs Darth Marr = Marr.

Grand Master Luke vs Valkorion + The Dread Masters (All 6) = Valk & Dread Masters, probably. The DMs can attack him mentally and force him to fight a two-front battle (which by feats they're capable of), and Valk can use Luke's weakened state to overwhelm him with extreme difficulty.
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