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The Rich Man
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on June 17th 2020, 8:13 am
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Who would win?
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Bergmar
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on June 17th 2020, 8:28 am
Are you serious?
Seturna
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on June 17th 2020, 8:33 am
@Bergmar wrote:Are you serious?
Why wouldn’t he be serious?
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on June 17th 2020, 8:41 am
@Seturna wrote:
@Bergmar wrote:Are you serious?
Why wouldn’t he be serious?


Dooku has swallowed up all life on the planet, and can a whole destroyer support it by force?
SnowxElf
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on June 17th 2020, 6:56 pm
It's clear that Nihilus is as much better force user than Dooku but he doesn't really have any feats that point to him being as good of duelist as Dooku, or even near for that matter. Nihilus would win from having much greater raw force power; however Dooku could hold him off for a time period because his skill and physical augmentation is just better plus he has drain resistance.
Darth Nihilus
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on June 17th 2020, 7:28 pm
Here is my take on this.

I am aware that Dooku was able to resist the Dark Reaper (similar to Nihilus's Force Drain) in similar fashion to Anakin. Their resistance was for a short period of time and they had to stay a certain distance from the Reaper or else they would die. So the closer they got to the Reaper, the more dangerous and impactful it became.

Back to the fight, Nihilus is the superior Force user and so Dooku's main advantage over Nihilus is that he is the superior duelist. Considering that the Reaper became more and more dangerous the closer you got to it, this means that Dooku's main advantage will also end up in a disadvantage because his advantage is lightsaber combat and he would need to get closer to Nihilus to utilize this advantage. So in a sense, Dooku's main advantage will also end up being a disadvantage. Also Nihilus was able to drain planets whilst the Dark Reaper was only able to drain moons (as I am aware of) and so Nihilus's drain is even more dangerous than the Reaper.

Taking into account Nihilus being the superior Force user and Dooku's main advantage backfiring at him, I see Nihilus as the victor here.
HellfireUnit
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on June 17th 2020, 11:43 pm
Dooku stomps.
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on June 18th 2020, 12:25 am
Dooku not actually sure how this is fair
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on June 18th 2020, 12:36 am
@Bergmar @HellfireUnit @The lord of hunger

Is anyone going to actually provide an argument for Dooku or just random calls?
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on June 18th 2020, 5:33 am
@Darth Nihilus wrote:@Bergmar @HellfireUnit @The lord of hunger

Is anyone going to actually provide an argument for Dooku or just random calls?

No
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on June 18th 2020, 5:58 am
@HellfireUnit wrote:
@Darth Nihilus wrote:@Bergmar @HellfireUnit @The lord of hunger

Is anyone going to actually provide an argument for Dooku or just random calls?

No

So you don't have an argument? Good to know.
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on June 18th 2020, 6:02 am
No
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on June 18th 2020, 9:34 am
well lets see been confirmed to almost a equal to yoda by aotc (per G canon rules) which by this point of time is where his supremacy quotes started to pop up as being the most powerful jedi in the order which puts him above the likes of mace windu,the vast majority of the council and most importantly anakin via pre rots,being a expert swordsmanship man himself to be able to top out some considerable opponents mace windu on boz pity,grievous during his training exercises,anakin and obi wan during the vast campaign of the clone wars,yoda during ydr etc combine this with the drain resistance which even if somehow is considered to be limited in time gives sufficient opportunity to smoke the lord of hunger in sabers since nihilus isnt the dark reaper to argue when closer to him you could die instantly.

thats just my take which i consider accurate since nihilus is mostly pretty fodder on sabers someone the likes of the count if he closes distance quickly (which he will do) whould be the victor of this matchup.
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on June 18th 2020, 10:19 am
Darth Nihilus easily.

There is no solid conventional counter to the Drain Force application.
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on June 18th 2020, 7:34 pm
@The lord of hunger wrote:well lets see been confirmed to almost a equal to yoda by aotc (per G canon rules) which by this point of time is where his supremacy quotes started to pop up as being the most powerful jedi in the order which puts him above the likes of mace windu,the vast majority of the council and most importantly anakin via pre rots,being a expert swordsmanship man himself to be able to top out some considerable opponents mace windu on boz pity,grievous during his training exercises,anakin and obi wan during the vast campaign of the clone wars,yoda during ydr etc combine this with the drain resistance which even if somehow is considered to be limited in time gives sufficient opportunity to smoke the lord of hunger in sabers since nihilus isnt the dark reaper to argue when closer to him you could die instantly.

thats just my take which i consider accurate since nihilus is mostly pretty fodder on sabers someone the likes of the count if he closes distance quickly (which he will do) whould be the victor of this matchup.

Most of your first paragraph does not really contribute as to why Dooku would win Nihilus. Nihilus is the superior Force user here and we already agree that Dooku is the superior duelist. Dooku's 'Drain Resistance' is not something he just passively has. He has to actively use it. Ulic's technique is the only known way to effectively resist 'Force Drain' and it only works for a short period of time and by keeping a distance. The Reaper's drain works very similary to Nihilus's Drain and considering that the technique is only effective against the Reaper from a distance, this would directly relate to Nihilus as well. This isn't about Nihilus being the Reaper or not, this is about the technique only being effective against 'Force Drain' from a distance. Whether the Reaper is Nihilus or not is completely irrelevant. Actually, not only is Nihilus's Force Drain more potent than the Reaper, but it even works from a much further distance as evident by Nihilus utilizing it to consume planets from Orbit. So distance to Nihilus definitely is not a problem. So no, Dooku will not be able to 'close distance' to Nihilus before getting Drained. On top of all this, Nihilus has one of the most powerful TK in all of Star Wars which he can also utilize in this fight.

So here we have a case of Dooku being an inferior to Nihilus in the Force and Ulic's technique only being effective against Force Drain from a distance, which would not even be a problem to Nihilus who has a more potent Force Drain and can use it from a greater distance. So even if somehow Dooku was able to get closer to Nihilus before getting Drained, Ulic's technique would not longer be effective at such close distance and Nihilus can even utilize his extremely powerful TK in either case. Whichever way you look at it, Dooku loses this.
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