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Latham2000
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Thu 7 May - 21:55
Round 1: PoD Bane.

Round 2: DOE Bane.

Who wins?
SithSauce
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Thu 7 May - 22:02
Round 1: Bane solidly. Surpassing all of the brotherhood of darkness as well his performance against Kas'im impresses me more than anything TPM has done.

Round 2: Bane stomps. Confirmed to be more powerful than his orberlisk counterpart and nearly coming close to killing Darth Zannah after being imprisoned, tortured and drugged before hand. Again superior to TPM Kenobi in every way.
TheNuisanceBird
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Thu 7 May - 22:37
What Indy said. Let's not get silly.
Scial
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Thu 7 May - 23:00
Yeah.... Massive mismatch. I really don't get why people keep overestimating Padawan Kenobi so much. He only killed Maul due to Maul's own psychological weakness; in terms of actual physical combat Maul solidly outclassed him. There is absolutely no reason he should be able to stand up to one of the most powerful Dark Lords in galactic history.
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Thu 7 May - 23:02
Obi Wan absolutely stomps the first one.

The second one is more interesting. If you believe Maul is among the later Banites then Obi Wan wins obviously. However, if Maul is among the earlier Banites or inferior to Bane then Bane wins the battle with the margin varying with Maul's relativity to the Banite Sith. Clearly Bane naturally has the benefit, via his vastly superior experience and higher mastery. For power, Maul clearly is the main variable


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The lord of hunger
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Thu 7 May - 23:05
bane both rounds
Nute_Chethray
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Fri 8 May - 12:28
@SithSauce wrote:Round 1: Bane solidly. Surpassing all of the brotherhood of darkness as well his performance against Kas'im impresses me more than anything TPM has done.

Round 2: Bane stomps. Confirmed to be more powerful than his orberlisk counterpart and nearly coming close to killing Darth Zannah after being imprisoned, tortured and drugged before hand. Again superior to TPM Kenobi in every way.
SithSauce
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Fri 8 May - 13:30
@LOTL How does Maul being amongst the later banite Sith have any relativity to whether TPM Kenobi is>Bane?
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LOTL

TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Fri 8 May - 21:37
Obi Wan scales off his performance against Maul then, obviously
SithSauce
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Fri 8 May - 22:13
His performance against Maul wasn't anything note worthy though. Maul was Kenobi's clear superior in skill and force even when backed up by Jinn. He only got one hit on Maul and that was when he was rage amped. Seconds later Maul lands a force push on him which sends him off the edge.
Maul>>>TPM Kenobi.
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LOTL

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on Fri 8 May - 22:34
@SithSauce wrote:His performance against Maul wasn't anything note worthy though. Maul was Kenobi's clear superior in skill and force even when backed up by Jinn. He only got one hit on Maul and that was when he was rage amped. Seconds later Maul lands a force push on him which sends him off the edge.
Maul>>>TPM Kenobi.

He fights Maul for 40s in the engagement most of which he is stated to be "evenly matched" with Maul. He is also noted to be matching him "blow for blow" in the fight

Maul force pushing him is explicitly because he was "unfocused" which allowed the opponent to "catch him off guard" while "drawing on his anger" to fuel himself. Meaning, Maul was employing Obi Wan's anger to power his ability, while Obi Wan was tiring. Obi Wan also explicitly matches him in a force contest where both throw objects at each other but accomplish nothing.

No. Not even close. At best Maul is a clear superior but there absolutely is not a gap that big between them
Latham2000
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Fri 8 May - 22:54
Rage boosts have their benefits and drawbacks. The benefits of Obi-Wan's rage was that it gave him "renewed strength" that enabled him to unleash a "wild assault" that Maul was "caught off guard" by, which is attributable to Maul's instincts and tactics being accustomed to the tempo of a calm Obi-Wan who wasn't enraged, plus he was in a state of smug over his recent accomplishment of killing Qui-Gon in TWoDM book prior to duelling Obi-Wan, so I don't think Maul was feeding off Obi-Wan's rage right off the bat, but did so once he adjusted to the tempo of Obi-Wan's rage fuelled assault, Obi-Wan did not specify timings of the moment Maul started feeding off Obi-Wan's rage. The drawbacks of Obi-Wan's rage was that his Force defenses were compromised, but that's what happens when you put so much effort and emphasis on generating such intense offensive output, Kreia has actually criticized Juyo for putting is users under risk of being tagged by Force based attacks because of its emphasis on "bolster offense," Obi-Wan obviously wasn't using Juyo against Maul, but he was mounting an unusually aggressive offense in close quarters against Maul, so I think that principle would apply here.
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LOTL

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on Fri 8 May - 23:12
It was mainly the aggression that was the primary change. However many sources note that he was emotionally conflicted too in the fight there

I think he simply gave it his all which began tiring him quickly, allowing Maul to take the offensive. His emotional state giving him vigor to continue the combat
Latham2000
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Fri 8 May - 23:33
What was Kenobi conflicted about? He was hell bent on killing Maul. I know that TPM novel says that Kenobi felt grief and confusion over Qui-Gon's death, but that didn't prevent him from fighting Maul with lethal intent.

I think he gave it his all because his rage boost that gave him "renewed strength" was so potent, that he expended most of his reserves in a short amount of time. A similar happened to Qui-Gon, but that was because he charged up an assault after a minute of meditating.
TheNuisanceBird
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on Sat 9 May - 2:10
@Latham2000 wrote:A similar happened to Qui-Gon, but that was because he charged up an assault after a minute of meditating.

As a kid I always just thought he was seeing the future. It didn't come off as him charging himself up. If that was the case it didn't work very well lol.
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Sat 9 May - 5:46
He wasn’t charging up, he was balancing himself and trying to counteract the exhaustion from the duel.

Kenobi’s rage had its benefits and drawbacks both, though I don’t think that can be reliably scaled back to his base abilities.
freethedevil
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TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane Empty Re: TPM Kenobi vs Darth Bane

on Sat 9 May - 11:37
@SithSauce wrote:His performance against Maul wasn't anything note worthy though. Maul was Kenobi's clear superior in skill and force even when backed up by Jinn. He only got one hit on Maul and that was when he was rage amped. Seconds later Maul lands a force push on him which sends him off the edge.
Maul>>>TPM Kenobi.
His performance vs maul isn't worth much. That said, I've seen it be argued he was a equal/near equal of qui-gon which may give him some relativism to maul depending on how you interpret maul's 1 v1 on tatooine.

This is all moot unless maul benefits from banite scaling.
@LOTL

How does this banite scaling work for Maul. IRRC, Sidious had no interest in upholding the rule of two and was gunning for a rule of one until he realized Anakin had god level potential
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