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on March 25th 2020, 11:10 am
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@Nute_Chethray wrote:Trying to write my personal list made me realise that its conflicting so some of them don't make sense lol
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on March 25th 2020, 12:19 pm
@Geistalt wrote:Mortis Anakin (amped)
1: TCW Son
2: The Father / Full-Power Abeloth
3: The Father / Full-Power Abeloth
4: The Daughter (hold her as baseline Son's equal, by which I mean the Son through most of galactic history, all the way until he manipulates Anakin and Co. in TCW)
5: Waru / The Force Priestesses
6: Waru / The Force Priestesses
Oneness Jacen (amped)
Oneness Luke (amped)
Oneness Anakin Solo (amped)
Valley Kyle (amped)
Valley Jerec (amped)
Post-Pool Sarasu Taalon (amped)
anyone below this point who isn't a Force wound dies to Nihilus
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7: Luke Skywalker
UnuThul (amped)
8: Darth Sidious (probs Force wound)
9: Valkorion (probs Force wound)
10: Irek Ismaren
11: Knightfall Vader / Yoda / Darth Krayt (Krayt may be stronger when not inhibited or dying due to Vongspawn virus)
12: Knightfall Vader / Yoda / Darth Krayt
13: Knightfall Vader / Yoda / Darth Krayt
14: Darish Vol, probably
15: Mace Windu
16: Darth Plagueis (probs Force wound)
17: Gethzerion
18: The Hero of Tython
19: Revan / Vaylin
20: Revan / Vaylin
The Dread Masters
21: Teneniel Djo and other Witches of Dathomir mentioned by Jake
TCoPL Luke
RotJ Luke, potentially
22: Darth Malak
23: Galen Marek / Starkiller / Dark Apprentice
24: Galen Marek / Starkiller / Dark Apprentice
25: Galen Marek / Starkiller / Dark Apprentice
26: Soa
RotJ Luke, lowball
27: Arcann
Vinn Atrius (amped)
Jedi Master Adelade (amped)
28-33: Star Fortress Exarchs (amped?)
34: Darth Tyranus (on par with suit Vader)
35: Exar Kun, living / Kun-possessed Kyp Durron

Unsure of where to rank spirit Kun.
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on March 25th 2020, 1:06 pm
Dooku being beneath Revan is heresy.
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on March 25th 2020, 1:16 pm
Dooku is one exercise regimen away from a heart attack.
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on March 25th 2020, 1:28 pm
@BoD wrote:Dooku is one exercise regimen away from a heart attack.
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on April 2nd 2020, 4:40 pm
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1. GM Luke
2. DE Sidious
3. Valkorian
4. KFV 
5. Krayt
6. Vaylin 
7. Yoda
8. Revan 
9. Outlander
10. Darish Vol
11. Mace Windu 
12. Malak (I can feel the hatred coming)
13. Exar Kun 
14. Dooku 
15. Kueller

Note that some parts of the list are WIP


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on April 2nd 2020, 4:54 pm
@Nute_Chethray wrote:1. GM Luke
2. DE Sidious
3. Valkorian
4. KFV 
5. Krayt
6. Vaylin 
7. Yoda
8. Revan 
9. Outlander
10. Darish Vol 
11. Malak (I can feel the hatred coming)
12. Exar Kun
13. Mace Windu 
14. Dooku 
15. Kueller

Note that some parts of the list are WIP

Why do you think the gap between Yoda and Mace is so big you can fit 5 people between it, and why are Revan and Malak closer to Yoda than Mace? Also, why is Revan above the Outlander and Vaylin above Yoda?
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on April 2nd 2020, 5:14 pm
@BoD wrote:
@Nute_Chethray wrote:1. GM Luke
2. DE Sidious
3. Valkorian
4. KFV 
5. Krayt
6. Vaylin 
7. Yoda
8. Revan 
9. Outlander
10. Darish Vol 
11. Malak (I can feel the hatred coming)
12. Exar Kun
13. Mace Windu 
14. Dooku 
15. Kueller

Note that some parts of the list are WIP

Why do you think the gap between Yoda and Mace is so big you can fit 5 people between it, and why are Revan and Malak closer to Yoda than Mace? Also, why is Revan above the Outlander and Vaylin above Yoda?
Mace is the easiest; I put him there before I corrected the list and forgot to fix it accordingly. 

There still will be 3 characters between of course, but its less about there being a big gap and more about the characters being extremely close and interchangeable. 

Revan for esoteric abilities and mastery. 

Vaylin is above Yoda for pure power, though its again close
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on April 2nd 2020, 6:34 pm
@Nute_Chethray wrote:12. Malak (I can feel the hatred coming)
Good. Use it to spread despair and frustration, and everyone will agree life's a shitty joke that just isn't worth it
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on April 24th 2020, 12:32 pm
Bump

Let’s see if your lists has changed
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on April 24th 2020, 12:43 pm
Legends:

1. Luke.
2. Sheev.
3. Valk.
4. Nyax.
5. Unuthul.
6. Yoda.
7. KFV/Mace.
8. KFV/Mace. 
9. Outlander.
10. Vaylin/Revan.
11. Vaylin/Revan.
12. Kueller.*
13. Krayt.
14. Vol.
15. Caedus/Arcann.*

* are both uncertain placements.

Canon:

1. Sidious.
2. Yoda.
3. Mace.
4. Vader.
5. Luke.
6. Snoke.
7. Dooku.
8. Kylo Ren.
9. Rey.
10. Obi-Wan.
11. Vos.
12. Maul.
13. Ahsoka.
14. Ventress.
15. Eeth Koth.

Many Jedi in Canon lack feats so characters like Fisto or Mundi aren't included.


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on April 24th 2020, 1:01 pm
@BoD What the hell is Prime Luke doing below Yoda and Vader?
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on April 24th 2020, 1:06 pm
Legends:

1. Luke
2. Sheev
3. Valkorion
4. Nyax
5. UnuThul
6. Outlander/Vaylin
8. Revan/Krayt?
10. Arcann/Caedus/Krayt?/KFV
13. Yoda/Kyp
15. Mace/Dooku

Canon:

1. Sheev (RoS)
2. Luke (Prime)
3. Snoke
4. Vader
5. Yoda
6. Mace/Kenobi/Maul
9. Dooku/Ahsoka
10.Kylo Ren
11. Rey
12. Vos?
Unsure after that
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on April 24th 2020, 1:11 pm
@The Lost wrote:This would be my rough post-Bane list. Not sure how anyone before would fit into it. 

1. Darth Sidious
2. Luke Skywalker
3. Darth Krayt
4. Darish Vol
5. Nyax
6. Gethzerion
7. Hidden One
8. Joruus C'Baoth
9. Yoda
10. Mace Windu
11. Darth Vader
12. Obi-Wan Kenobi
13. Darth Plagueis
14. Mother Talzin
15. Darth Wyyrlok III
16. Darth Tyranus
17. Darth Caedus
18. Darth Tenebrous
19. Cade Skywalker
20. Darth Maul
21. Starkiller

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This except Number 1 is probably Luke, and Starkiller is higher. No idea why Joruus is so high too or the Hidden One


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on April 24th 2020, 1:11 pm
1. Luke
2. Sidious
3. Valkorion
4. UnuThul
5. Nyax
6. KFV
7. Yoda
8. Krayt
9. Vol
10. Mace
11. Plagueis
12. Revan
13. Outlander
14. Vaylin
15. Caedus

@BoD: How are Cal, Cere and Kanan in the canon list but not: Talzin, Vos, Ventress, Savage, Grievous, Koth, Momin or Karbin to name a few


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on April 24th 2020, 2:45 pm
@IG Because prime Luke has sod all feats that impress me. 

@DarthAdi 


Talzin,


Can't determine how powerful she is without the nexus in canon.



Vos

Beat Dooku because of unpredictability. I forgot about him, anyway, but will add him based on his stomping Ventress.



Ventress, Savage,

Forgot about them, will add them in.



Grievous,

Power, skill and other stuff. Grievous in canon has been chucked around with the Force and run away so often I can't take him seriously.



Koth

His only feats are holding his own against Grievous, stalemating 14 BBY Vader in sabers and getting stomped by Vader in the Force. Hard to quantify him but I'll add him based on the lightsaber feats.



Momin 

Shit. 



or Karbin

Also quite shit.
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on April 24th 2020, 2:59 pm
@BoD:

Can't determine how powerful she is without the nexus in canon.
She fought Mace off Dathomir. She is considered a threat to Sidious. If she is powerfull only on Dathomir Sidious would not care about her. Regardless how you put it, Talzin is way more impressive than Cal, Kanan or Cere

Beat Dooku because of unpredictability. I forgot about him, anyway
.
Beating Dooku even with a form advantage>>>being stomped by a pre prime Vader and having difficulties with inquisitors

Power, skill and other stuff. Grievous in canon has been chucked around with the Force and run away so often I can't take him seriously.
Grievous contending with Obi Wan and Maul>>> being stomped by a pre prime Vader and having difficulties with inquisitors

Momin
I know that Vader was in a bad condition but his performance against him is still way more impressive than Cal's or Kanan's. Not to mention holistic portayal

Karbin
Karbin performed better against Vader than Cal or Kanan or Cere.
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on April 24th 2020, 3:05 pm
She fought Mace off Dathomir. She is considered a threat to Sidious. If she is powerfull only on Dathomir Sidious would not care about her. Regardless how you put it, Talzin is way more impressive than Cal, Kanan or Cere

Beat Dooku because of unpredictability. I forgot about him, anyway
.
Beating Dooku even with a form advantage>>>being stomped by a pre prime Vader and having difficulties with inquisitors

Power, skill and other stuff. Grievous in canon has been chucked around with the Force and run away so often I can't take him seriously.
Grievous contending with Obi Wan and Maul>>> being stomped by a pre prime Vader and having difficulties with inquisitors

Momin
I know that Vader was in a bad condition but his performance against him is still way more impressive than Cal's or Kanan's. Not to mention holistic portayal

Karbin
Karbin performed better against Vader than Cal or Kanan or Cere.


I've removed Cal, Cere and Kanan. Like I said, I forgot about some of those characters. What I will say for Momin is that there's no "holistic portrayal". He's overwhelming a Vader who's just been submerged in lava for a time, whose armour is damaged and whose servos are grinding and whining...then Vader effortlessly kills him with the Force.
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on April 24th 2020, 3:14 pm
Canon:


1-Darth Sidious


2-Luke Skywalker


3-Yoda


4-Darth Vader


5-Snoke


6-Mace Windu


7-Mother Talzin


8-Ashoka Tano 


9-dooku


10-kylo ren


11-rey


12-obi wan


13-vos


14-maul


15-Ventress


Legends:


1-Luke


2-Palpatine


3-Unuthul


4-Valkorion


5-Lord Nyax


6-KFV


7-Yoda


8-Krayt


9-Mace Windu


10-the outlander


11-vaylin


12-Caedus


13-Kueller


14-Arcann


15-Starkiller


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on April 26th 2020, 7:12 am
Gonna rank only Sith just cause. 

1. Palpatine 

Feats and statements such as summoning Force storms with a fleeting thought and being called the Strongest Sith. Obviously more can be said but I doubt anyone disagrees. 

2. Nihilus/Valkorion 
3. Valkorion/Nihilus

Nihilus feats are too good, he's the only other Sith we've seen to wiping out planets with a thought as well. His statements about his comparison with the Ancient Sith only really make sense if Traya is taking into account Sorcery and Dark side technology like Sadow employed during the Great Hyperspace War. Ludo Kressh would have flicked away Sadow ramming a ship on top of him if he were truly greater than Nihilus as an example. Valkorion doesn't have feats around like Nihilus, but the power he most likely has from absorbing Nathema + tons of statements + his knowledge can put him above Nihilus. He also can absorb entire planets although he needed to empower himself first like he did with Ziost but since he did that as a spirit it's possible he could just devour planets just as easily as Nihilus, just not enough proof. 

4. Prime Krayt

Achieved actual immortality and was thrown into a star to stop him. Should be stronger than the events of Fate of the Jedi were he and Luke were "destined" to defeat Abeloth implying some sort of parity. Was affecting Abeloth to top it off and the strongest Sith in that era.

5. Darish Vol

Scales above people who gives FOTJ Luke a fight and gave Abeloth a fight to the point she destroyed a city belonging to the Lost Tribe. Not much else to be said really. 

6. Anakin Skywalker

He "surpassed all Sith before him" according to Palpatine and had the power to already kill Palpatine in ROTS, who is considered to be the strongest Sith at the time + scales from feats done in the prequel era. Why he isn't higher is because, and this is going to be very controversial, nothing suggests ROTS Palpatine is above the aforementioned barring his statements, feat and scaling wise favor the others.
 
7. Muur in Modern times (OT to Legacy)

A quote states Muurs talisman became more "dangerous" as time went on and considering it gave Vader the power to see himself killing Palpatine then he has to be up there with the "dangerous" line most likely referring to power, not to mention he is seen as a galactic wide threat in all 3 of his grand appearances promising whomever massive power and the potential to rule the Galaxy

8. Marka Ragnos

To bring him back to life required multiple nexuses, one of which was the great temple which allowed Dorsk 81 to force push a fleet of star destroyers outside the Yavun system. Luke found him a threat enough that it will take God and his current order "all ther combined strength to stop him" can be argued to be higher imo. 

9. Exar Kun/Count Dooku
10. Count Dooku/Exar Kun

Difficult to rank since for me ultimately depends whether Kun lending his power to Durron to stomp out JA Luke is more impressive than Dooku legitimately contending with Yoda. Feat and scaling wise they're also around the same ball park such as Kun lifting Sadows Corsair into orbit and Dooku throwing around Cruisers with the Force and scaling from Tott Doneeta stopping a Heat Storm/AOTC era Anakin stopping a Theta storm.


11. Darth Plaguies 

I personally don't hold Plaguies super high unlike others, that quote of his is a blurb which aren't canon and his feats while solid don't Eclipse Kun and Dookus. Him supposedly freezing Naboo most likely a coincidence, later in the novel 3 dozen Maladians nearly killed him so him having that much power probably not the case. However, after unbalancing the Force and his advancements in Midichlorian Manipulation he personally believed he surpassed all Sith before him + MM probably broken. He could be higher, just lacks scaling and feats. 

12. Darth Malak

Could control the Star Forge which destroyed the Jedi Exiles and the most dangerous machine created by the Rakata Infinite Empire. Probably higher but I feel he lacks feats and scaling to relevant beings like Kun and Dooku do with Luke and Yoda respectively 

13. Darth Revan

Same reasons as above. 

14. Tulak Hord

No reason to doubt Khem Val and nothing in the text implies Khem is wrong. Breaking a siege held by 1000 Jedi and bringing down a ship the size of the Endar Spire very solid + hype he achieved immortality.


15. Freedon Nadd

He surpassed Sadow and empowering King Ommin and Amanoa with vestiges of his power which was controlling the entire city of Iziz for centuries. The Triumvirate also wanted to use his power if not outright resurrect him since that would let them destroy the Republic somehow. Also has hype he was "far worse than Revan and Malak" and his dark side enchanted blaster "killed more Jedi than any Lightsaber" 


Notable mentions: Dread Masters, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Sadow, Nox, Wrath, and possibly a few other I can't recall atm. For those wondering my metrics I tried making my list using feats and direct scaling over quotes, although as a person who uses quotes for a very long time some things are admittedly difficult to uphold.


Edit: I completely forgot about Caedus lmao.
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on April 26th 2020, 9:37 am
Kun is canonically superior to Ragnos.
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