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on March 16th 2020, 8:03 pm
I think we should see how individual members lists compare to the official list of SI.
Banned characters are fairly self explanatory, just the deities (Soa and their ilk are fine).
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on March 16th 2020, 8:09 pm
Personally my list probably has:

1. Lord Nyax
2. Shimrra
3. UnuThul 
4. Grand Master Luke Skywalker
5. Darth Krayt
6. Darish Vol
7. The Reborn Emperor
8. Gethezerion 
9. Kueller
10. The spirit of Exar Kun
11. Sate Pestage
12. Joruus C’Boath
13. Charal
14. Muur as he appears in Legacy
15. The Hidden One

Some people who would likey make the list if not for
their difficulty to quantify would be Qu Rahn, Blessed Toxmalb and Jaina Solo.
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on March 16th 2020, 8:17 pm
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SUBJECT TO CHANGE:

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Lord Nyax
3. DE Sheev
4. Kueller
5. Valkorion
6. UnuThul
7. Darth Vader
8. Darth Caedus
9. Exar Kun
10. Revan
11. Darth Krayt
12. Gethzerion
13. Hidden One
14. Joruus C'baoth
15. Yoda


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on March 16th 2020, 8:28 pm
Only using characters I know stuff about, so the Hidden One for example is excluded:

1. Luke.
2. Sidious.
3. Valkorion. 
4. Unuthul.
5. Yoda.
6. Mace Windu.
7. KFV.
8. Gethzerion.
9. Outlander.
10. Vaylin.
11. Revan.
12. Exar Kun.
13. C'baoth.
14. Caedus or Arcann.
15. Dooku or suited Vader.


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on March 16th 2020, 8:32 pm
@BoD wrote:Only using characters I know stuff about:

1. Luke.
2. Sidious.
3. Valkorion. 
4. Unuthul.
5. Yoda.
6. Mace Windu.
7. KFV.
8. Gethzerion.
9. Outlander.
10. Vaylin.
11. Revan.
12. Exar Kun.
13. C'baoth.
14. Caedus or Arcann.
15. Dooku or suited Vader.
Where the hell is Kueller?
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on March 16th 2020, 8:32 pm
@EmperorCaedus Read the first sentence.
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on March 16th 2020, 8:32 pm
1.Valkorion.
2.Reborn Palpatine.
3.Grand Master Skywalker.
4.Darth Vader.
5.Exar Kun.
6.Kueller.
7.Revan.
8.Kyp Durron.
9.Yoda.
10.Outlander.
11.Vaylin.
12.Reborn Krayt.
13.Mace Windu.
14.Marka Ragnos.
15.Arcann.
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on March 16th 2020, 8:37 pm
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@LadyKulvax wrote:1.Valkorion.
2.Reborn Palpatine.
3.Grand Master Skywalker.
4.Darth Vader.
5.Exar Kun.
6.Kueller.
7.Revan.
8.Kyp Durron.
9.Yoda.
10.Outlander.
11.Vaylin.
12.Reborn Krayt.
13.Mace Windu.
14.Marka Ragnos.
15.Arcann.
Why is Kyp on there but not Caedus?
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on March 16th 2020, 8:38 pm
@LadyKulvax Interesting. You have KFV >/>> Yoda and Revan > Yoda?
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on March 16th 2020, 8:40 pm
@Reynard (Ethanion) wrote:Personally my list probably has:

1. Lord Nyax
2. Shimrra
3. UnuThul 
4. Grand Master Luke Skywalker
5. Darth Krayt
6. Darish Vol
7. The Reborn Emperor
8. Gethezerion 
9. Kueller
10. The spirit of Exar Kun
11. Sate Pestage
12. Joruus C’Boath
13. Charal
14. Muur as he appears in Legacy
15. The Hidden One

Some people who would likey make the list if not for
their difficulty to quantify would be Qu Rahn, Blessed Toxmalb and Jaina Solo.

As always the list is retarded, but I am seriously wondering if you can back up any reason Sate Pestage is above Joruus
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on March 16th 2020, 8:56 pm
Well Sate Pestage and Cronal were the leaders of the Church of the Darkside, and in 5aby Cronal renounces his ties to Palpatine’s Empire.

To head the church an illusion of Kadann was made, and these are the accolade accredited to the Kadann that lead the church.

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As this quote seemingly refers to a time where Luke is the second most powerful being in the galaxy, we can rule out time before 8 or 9 aby for the iteration of the false Kadann.

Meaning that Cronal can’t be casting the illusion and it would then be accredited to just Sate Pestage.
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on March 16th 2020, 9:18 pm
1-luke
2-sidious
3-unuthul/darish vol/welk/the hidden one
4-shimrra/lomi plo
5-valkorion/lord nyax
6-KFV
7-yoda/ivaan workan/koro zill
8-krayt/onimi
9-Darth caedus/suited vader/gethzerion
10-kueller/wyyrlok
11-Mace Windu
12-kyp durron
13-Darth Plagueis
14-the outlander
15-Vaylin
16-Revan SoR
17-Count Dooku
18-Darth Malgus
19-exar kun/spirit kun
20-karness murr


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on March 17th 2020, 2:33 am
@The lord of hunger wrote:1-luke
2-sidious
3-unuthul
4-shimrra
5-valkorion
6-yoda
7-KFV
8-Lord Nyax/krayt
9-Darth caedus/suited vader/gethzerion
10-kueller
11-Mace Windu
12-kyp durron
13-Darth plagueis
14-the outlander
15-Vaylin
I guess TPM Kenobi is also on Geth’s level
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on March 17th 2020, 4:14 am
This would be my rough post-Bane list. Not sure how anyone before would fit into it. 

1. Darth Sidious
2. Luke Skywalker
3. Darth Krayt
4. Darish Vol
5. Nyax
6. Gethzerion
7. Hidden One
8. Joruus C'Baoth
9. Yoda
10. Mace Windu
11. Darth Vader
12. Obi-Wan Kenobi
13. Darth Plagueis
14. Mother Talzin
15. Darth Wyyrlok III
16. Darth Tyranus
17. Darth Caedus
18. Darth Tenebrous
19. Cade Skywalker
20. Darth Maul
21. Starkiller

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on March 17th 2020, 4:30 am
@ILS wrote:1. Darth Sidious
2. Luke Skywalker
Any particular reason for this?

Not going to comment on Caedus' placement, since we've been through this already

Also where is Kueller?
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on March 17th 2020, 4:31 am
Tentative list. 

Ten or high 9:
- Luke Skywalker
- Palpatine
- Valkorion
- Irek Ismaren

9:
- Darth Vader
- Yoda

Low 9:
- Mace Windu 
- Revan
- The Outlander
- Vaylin
- Darish Vol 
- Darth Krayt

Not including Soa, Nihilus, Kueller, the Dark Nest, or other weird guys. 

Not necessarily in order within tiers.


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on March 17th 2020, 4:35 am
@EmperorCaedus wrote:
@ILS wrote:1. Darth Sidious
2. Luke Skywalker
Any particular reason for this?

Not going to comment on Caedus' placement, since we've been through this already

Also where is Kueller?
Force Storm is the best power feat in the mythos (barring Abeloth etc). Luke can't defeat Sidious' full potency alone per the DE Endnotes.

No idea what to do with Kueller, happy to hear a case for him though.
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on March 17th 2020, 4:37 am
*Luke as of Dark Empire can't beat Sidious alone
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on March 17th 2020, 4:38 am
@Geistalt wrote:*Luke as of Dark Empire can't beat Sidious alone
There is little reason to think this changed later.
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on March 17th 2020, 4:40 am
@ILS wrote:
@EmperorCaedus wrote:
@ILS wrote:1. Darth Sidious
2. Luke Skywalker
Any particular reason for this?

Not going to comment on Caedus' placement, since we've been through this already

Also where is Kueller?
Force Storm is the best power feat in the mythos (barring Abeloth etc). Luke can't defeat Sidious' full potency alone per the DE Endnotes.

No idea what to do with Kueller, happy to hear a case for him though.
I'm glad! I actually have a Kueller RT in the works (it will be out in a couple days), so keep an eye out on that
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on March 17th 2020, 4:42 am
@ILS wrote:
@Geistalt wrote:*Luke as of Dark Empire can't beat Sidious alone
There is little reason to think this changed later.
I think you out of all people know how much he grows since then lmao. JA - BFC - NJO - LotF - FotJ. And those aren't even all of them
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on March 17th 2020, 4:48 am
Since I don’t have a clear ranking after the top 5, I decided to just make a top 5 then list all the contenders for the other spots in no particular order:
1. Luke Skywalker 
2. Darth Sidious
3. Darth Krayt
4. Darish Vol 
5. Raynar Thul 

Yoda, Revan, KF Vader, Nyax, Geth, Kueller, Koro Zill, C’Baoth, Wyyrlok, Peak Kenobi, Kyp Durron, Valkorion, Jaina Solo, Outlander, Darth Plagueis, Jaina solo...
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on March 17th 2020, 4:56 am
@EmperorCaedus wrote:
@ILS wrote:
@Geistalt wrote:*Luke as of Dark Empire can't beat Sidious alone
There is little reason to think this changed later.
I think you out of all people know how much he grows since then lmao. JA - BFC - NJO - LotF - FotJ. And those aren't even all of them
Obviously. But the moral lesson of Dark Empire was that the Jedi's ultimate power is their ability to combine their power and connect with each other/be one in the Force. The Dark Side cannot be defeated alone. Luke, Leia and the unborn Anakin Solo channelled the "ultimate power of the Jedi" through their "combined Force sensitivities" not even to defeat Sidious, but to catch him off-guard, separate him from his power and let him consume himself. Sidious wasn't even human at that point, he was a sentient dark side nexus with "ever expanding power" whose "full potency" would "consume all of space" in time.

As of FotJ, Luke, even at his most insane, lacks any feats on the level of perpetuating and controlling a many-KM wide dimension-altering rip in space time which can consume virtually anything, including the Eclipse or "all of space" eventually. Luke and Krayt are roughly at a similar level before Krayt hits his own peak, and yet according to the databank, "Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith in modern times." It's the most deliberate power accolade I have ever seen due to the fact it drops the past tense for that sentence alone and then continues with the past tense after. It's not saying Sidious was the most powerful Sith, it's saying he is. Period.


My belief is that Sidious is an analogue for Anakin far more than he is for Luke, and that he's an analogue for Luke only insofar as Luke represents the Jedi's ability to fight the dark side as one combined Force; he's the one who rebuilds the Order under this guiding principle. And I think that belief is thoroughly supported by the evidence we have available.
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on March 17th 2020, 5:13 am
Mortis Anakin (amped)
1: TCW Son
2: The Father / Full-Power Abeloth
3: The Father / Full-Power Abeloth
4: The Daughter (hold her as baseline Son's equal, by which I mean the Son through most of galactic history, all the way until he manipulates Anakin and Co. in TCW)
5: Waru / The Force Priestesses
6: Waru / The Force Priestesses
Oneness Jacen (amped)
Oneness Luke (amped)
Oneness Anakin Solo (amped)
Valley Kyle (amped)
Valley Jerec (amped)
Post-Pool Sarasu Taalon (amped)
anyone below this point who isn't a Force wound dies to Nihilus
7: Luke Skywalker
UnuThul (amped)
8: Darth Sidious (probs Force wound)
9: Valkorion (probs Force wound)
10: Irek Ismaren
11: Knightfall Vader / Yoda / Darth Krayt (Krayt may be stronger when not inhibited or dying due to Vongspawn virus)
12: Knightfall Vader / Yoda / Darth Krayt
13: Knightfall Vader / Yoda / Darth Krayt
14: Darish Vol, probably
15: Mace Windu
16: Darth Plagueis (probs Force wound)
17: Gethzerion
18: The Hero of Tython
19: Revan / Vaylin
20: Revan / Vaylin
The Dread Masters
21: Teneniel Djo and other Witches of Dathomir mentioned by Jake
TCoPL Luke
RotJ Luke, potentially
22: Darth Malak
23: Galen Marek / Starkiller / Dark Apprentice
24: Galen Marek / Starkiller / Dark Apprentice
25: Galen Marek / Starkiller / Dark Apprentice
26: Soa
RotJ Luke, lowball
27: Arcann
Vinn Atrius (amped)
Jedi Master Adelade (amped)
28-33: Star Fortress Exarchs (amped?)
34: Darth Tyranus (on par with suit Vader)
35: Exar Kun, living / Kun-possessed Kyp Durron

Unsure of where to rank spirit Kun.
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on March 17th 2020, 5:21 am
That Kun lowballing, ew. Kun is canonically > Gethzerion in every manner but she's multiple stomp gaps above him apparently.
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