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Latham2000
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on March 15th 2020, 5:47 pm
1. Is it unhealthy?
2. Is it a waste of time?
HellfireUnit
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on March 15th 2020, 5:50 pm
1 - Depends on the person
2 - Depends on your free time
CuckedCurry
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on March 15th 2020, 5:59 pm
I am of the opinion that it is, to a certain extent. If you win you’re awarded, if you lose you feel like shit. If you lose continually you enter a state of mental regression and find yourself losing your passion or your temper. With that being said, the gadgers and bashers on SI are pretty supportive regardless of whether you win or lose.
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on March 15th 2020, 6:31 pm
@Latham2000 wrote:1. Is it unhealthy?
2. Is it a waste of time?
someone said it depends that it depends on the person, and they right. some people are more connected and attached to said fiction than others, and some are far less mentally stable than others.

1- answered up above. also depends on time, age, what is actually being discussed, how often, etc

2- nah. people DO in fact waste time on it that could be used on something else, but they wouldnt do it if they didnt want to or if they didnt like it. in the end, u are informing urself and learning in very slow pace. well, yes, it kinda pointless when talking about actually important things, but one can only tell in the long run of things, u know? how much WOULD it affect u becomes more clear as time passes.
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on March 15th 2020, 6:36 pm
Yes and yes, you could add paint thinner to your coffee and get the same benefits
NotAA3
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on March 15th 2020, 6:45 pm
1. As HU said, it really depends on the person. For some people it perhaps is, but for others, they can remain carefree about the whole thing.

2. I'm someone who subscribes to the statement: "time you enjoy wasting isn't time wasted". If this is the way you want to spend your time, and you get legitimate enjoyment out of it then, no, it is not a waste of time.
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on March 16th 2020, 12:22 am
1-literally like hu said it depends on the person 

2-not entirely if you like debating as a whole not only in fictional stuff
Master Azronger
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on March 16th 2020, 6:04 am
1. It's as unhealthy as anything you become invested in.

2. Debating improves your critical thinking, writing, logical acumen, etc. This is a fact. I don't know why you'd consider it a waste of time in that respect. Whether you enjoy it is another matter.

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on April 1st 2020, 11:58 pm
1. It's only unhealthy if you allow it to become unhealthy, just like any other hobby. It really just depends on the person, and how much they allow it to interfere with the rest of their life.

2. Debating has its pros and cons. As Azronger above me mentioned, it can aid with critical thinking, writing, ect. And as NotAA3 mentioned, if you're enjoying it, it's not entirely a waste of your time. 

That said, the debates themselves are literally pointless. The level of thought fans put into debates over fictional topics is quite frankly insane. Scaling chains, feat collecting, accolade hunting, ect. It's all taken to a degree that the actual authors of the material would almost never even consider. I remember an old Stan Lee quote when someone asked him who would win in a fight. His response was basically, "whichever character the author wants to win." Fans seem to seek out definitive, factual answers to debates, but if the subject of the debate were to come up in actual source material, it would often come down to the needs of the story rather than the "facts."
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on April 2nd 2020, 3:52 am
I'm pretty sure everyone here is cognizant of the fact that the lens through which we view the lore is not the same as that of the writers, and that our conclusions on versus matches aren't factual or binding.

But that's besides the point, because who cares what the authors think. What matters is if this hobby is fun or not.

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Latham2000
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on April 2nd 2020, 6:15 am
Authorial intent is definitely overrated. You can bug them into saying whatever you want them to say and they'll do it whilst probably not actually putting that much thought as the agenda driven questioner for the sake of getting them to piss off, so what they say on social media shouldn't be used in debates. Look no further than Erkan getting Jeremy Barlow to say that Maul can take a majority against Dooku.
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on April 2nd 2020, 6:18 am
Look no further than Meatpants harassing Nick Gillard over Qui-Gon questions while the guy was on holiday Is fictional debating unhealthy? 3344068304

Love you really Archibald 🥐
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on April 2nd 2020, 2:01 pm
@CuckedCurry wrote:Look no further than Meatpants harassing Nick Gillard over Qui-Gon questions while the guy was on holiday Is fictional debating unhealthy? 3344068304

Love you really Archibald 🥐
Poor Nick
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on April 2nd 2020, 2:25 pm
Even though Gillard isn't an author, I agree with Curry's line of thought. Asking Gillard something like "which one of these level 7 fighter is better than the other" kind of question wasn't worth asking, because it's not like Lucas and Gillard discussed something as trivial and as whether Qui-Gon is better than Fisto behind the scenes and decided that this level 7 fighter is better than that level 7 fighter.
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on April 15th 2020, 9:20 pm
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It gets unhealthy after some time, in that it's rather pointless and doesn't really serve your brain well in the long run. At the beginning it's pretty brain usage-intensive, when you try to grab all the constructs the community created, the way arguments are built here, when you try to connect all the dots and figure out how to fit in when deconstructing all of the various traditions.

In itself, it's still debating, and as that it's good for your critical analysis skills, but it's quite honestly the worst kind of debating in that. When you get to a level high enough, it's really not that much about rhetoric skills and analysis, but more about going through the most obscure sources and collecting giant amounts of content to create equally giant walls of text. At the most intensive top, it's not really anything productive. The singular arguments and counters aren't really much more sophisticated than before... You just write 5 times larger ones with 10 times more content. The level of logical deconstruction and raw debating itself generally stays the same at the most dedicated level, it just takes more content and much more time.

And in that, it's really not that useful, to be honest. You would get far greater mental sustenance from reading various kinds of fiction and expanding your cultural horizons instead of nitpicking minor details from one universe. Doing this when dealing with political debates would at least bring you some knowledge about actual real life matters, doing such insane amount of research to wank your Palpatine or Valkorion really doesn't do your brain any favor.

So in that, fictional debating is the least useful kind of debating as far as mental development goes. It's still debating though, so it's a healthy thing for your brain, but the most intensive giant mega-SW-debating does you the same favor the basic SW debating did, just takes an unhealthy amount of time compared to the more... normal level. It's just that because the higher levels don't take more skills, but take insane amount of content more.

Time spent without the benefit to the brain is generally unhealthy. Our brains work on habits, there's no such thing as something "neutral" from your brain, you either train your mental side and it develops, or you don't, and it declines. But obviously it's all about the balance. Fictional top-level debating is still better than playing shooters brainlessly with your friends, and it does no harm to people when they do it, it even brings them fun. Now if playing shooters was an important part of their life and their focus, it wouldn't be of use, lol.
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on June 27th 2020, 1:06 am
Debating of any kind with those outside your family and inner circle of friends—in other words, strangers—is a waste of time. People are programmed to believe what they want to regardless of how rational it is or isn't. Most people are irrational, and they will cling to whatever beliefs make them feel good; even if they are won over temporarily by logic. Perhaps there is small segment of the population (<10%) who are mentally disciplined enough to objectively analyze an issue, but then again if that were true society wouldn't be in utter chaos.

When I was younger and had no other obligations or hobbies, Star Wars debates played a significant role. Looking back on it now, I honestly don't see what was trying to be accomplished. Trying to convince a few dozen people, at best, on the internet why your preferred fictional character is better than another? We enjoy characters because of their stories and personalities, not their fighting prowess.

I will continue to explore the Legends Universe until I no longer gain satisfaction from it, but at this point I'd rather compete "in real-life" so to speak.

So maybe debating fictional characters is okay if you're not an adult. If you are, I'll simply assume you're a Peter Pan and/or have no larger aspirations in life.
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