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Latham2000
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RotS Kit Fisto vs Asajj Ventress Empty RotS Kit Fisto vs Asajj Ventress

February 20th 2020, 12:44 pm
Standard conditions. Both are in their prime. Who wins?


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Gianfi
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February 20th 2020, 12:47 pm
Ventress stomps
Latham2000
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February 20th 2020, 1:16 pm
Gianfi wrote:Ventress stomps

Not asking why she wins, but why does she stomp?
BreakofDawn
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February 20th 2020, 1:16 pm
I'm assuming canon? If so, yeah, Ventress absolutely stomps.
HellfireUnit
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February 20th 2020, 1:18 pm
Ventress beats any incarnation of Fisto
DarthAdi
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February 20th 2020, 1:22 pm
Ventress wins but she is not stomping someone who defeated Grievous and blocked a few of Palpatine's strikes.
HellfireUnit
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February 20th 2020, 1:25 pm
DarthAdi wrote:Ventress wins but she is not stomping someone who defeated Grievous and blocked a few of Palpatine's strikes.
An early TCW Grievous was wounded and he was pushing Fisto nonetheless. Also Fisto blocking Palpatine's strikes were due to Mace's presence.
BreakofDawn
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February 20th 2020, 1:25 pm
Ventress wins but she is not stomping someone who defeated Grievous

He defeated Grievous with an environmental advantage and right after Grievous had gone through excruciatingly painful surgery. Ventress has actually outright defeated Grievous when he was in peak condition.



and blocked a few of Palpatine's strikes.

I don't see why this matters, tbh. Sure it's an impressive reaction feat and shows he's pretty skilled, but he still got blitzed and stomped. Not sure why Ventress couldn't replicate this or perform better.
DarthAdi
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February 20th 2020, 1:27 pm
@BoD:
I'm not saying that Ventress can't replicate his feats or that she is not more powerfull than him. As i said, she wins but there is nothing to suggest that she can stomp him.
HellfireUnit
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February 20th 2020, 1:29 pm
Not to mention Fisto has a form advantage against Grievous.
BreakofDawn
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February 20th 2020, 1:30 pm
Ventress has already handed him his backside in Cestus Deception a few months after starting her training with Dooku:

“Your pleasure,” Kit hissed, and went at her. He was like fire, Ventress like smoke. The dance had substance but not form, a blur of light that seemed impossibly fast, unbelievably deadly. The two leapt and swerved, collided and bounced away. Single against double lightblades. Hands, knees, feet, all in a mind-numbing blur.
Obi-Wan would have given his right hand to join. Or even to watch such a display. But he had his own worries, his own battle to fight.
He struggled with the urge to simply draw his lightsaber and slaughter the X’Ting. His enemies came on and on, struck quickly but clumsily, got in each other’s way. Obi-Wan was direct in attack, and as elusive as a breeze.
He’d missed the engagement, but suddenly—Kit was down! Wounded and groggy from a kick in the jaw, for the first time Ventress had pierced his guard. Her left-hand saber sliced his arm but as sparks flew he dove away from her left blade, leaning into a glancing blow from her right.


While Kit obviously improved, Ventress' growth is actually quantifiable and is pretty massive. She went from matching padawan Anakin to contending with him a few months before ROTS, doing okay against Mace on Coruscant in a brief, off-panel fight, etc.
BreakofDawn
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February 20th 2020, 1:34 pm
Ignore her Grievous feat, just remembered she was amped and 19 BBY Grievous was stated by Dooku to be more powerful than her.
DarthAdi
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February 20th 2020, 1:38 pm
BoD wrote:Ventress has already handed him his backside in Cestus Deception a few months after starting her training with Dooku:

“Your pleasure,” Kit hissed, and went at her. He was like fire, Ventress like smoke. The dance had substance but not form, a blur of light that seemed impossibly fast, unbelievably deadly. The two leapt and swerved, collided and bounced away. Single against double lightblades. Hands, knees, feet, all in a mind-numbing blur.
Obi-Wan would have given his right hand to join. Or even to watch such a display. But he had his own worries, his own battle to fight.
He struggled with the urge to simply draw his lightsaber and slaughter the X’Ting. His enemies came on and on, struck quickly but clumsily, got in each other’s way. Obi-Wan was direct in attack, and as elusive as a breeze.
He’d missed the engagement, but suddenly—Kit was down! Wounded and groggy from a kick in the jaw, for the first time Ventress had pierced his guard. Her left-hand saber sliced his arm but as sparks flew he dove away from her left blade, leaning into a glancing blow from her right.


While Kit obviously improved, Ventress' growth is actually quantifiable and is pretty massive.
You know that this fight had cirmustances. Ventress later fought Kenobi (who was inferior to Fisto at this point) in the same book and Kenobi did well.
Also, if this is canon fight (dark disciple is only canon) this is irellevant
HellfireUnit
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February 20th 2020, 1:40 pm
If we consider Canon, Fisto lacks feats. Ventress is capable of dueling Dooku, Savage, both Kenobi and Skywalker and even Force Choke them in a rush. Fisto stands no chance.
Latham2000
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February 20th 2020, 1:40 pm
Fisto's also already had a leg injury before he fought Ventress.
Latham2000
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February 20th 2020, 1:41 pm
Old EU feats are allowed.
HellfireUnit
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February 20th 2020, 1:41 pm
BoD wrote:Ignore her Grievous feat, just remembered she was amped and 19 BBY Grievous was stated by Dooku to be more powerful than her.

What amp? If you are referring to Dathomir, it only amps Nightsister Magic, not physicals or anything and yet Ventress managed to beat Grievous without the aid of the Force.
BreakofDawn
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February 20th 2020, 1:48 pm

What amp? If you are referring to Dathomir, it only amps Nightsister Magic, not physicals or anything and yet Ventress managed to beat Grievous without the aid of the Force.

Dathomir's a potent DS nexus, per FO.

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You know that this fight had cirmustances. Ventress later fought Kenobi (who was inferior to Fisto at this point)

In a spar, not a duel to the death.
DarthAdi
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February 20th 2020, 1:54 pm
Kit's defeat at the hands of Ventress had circumstnces. She has a distinct form advantage, and she was given time to analyse Kit's form and fighting style. Also, Kit had a heel wound, iirc.
HellfireUnit
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February 20th 2020, 1:58 pm
BoD wrote:

What amp? If you are referring to Dathomir, it only amps Nightsister Magic, not physicals or anything and yet Ventress managed to beat Grievous without the aid of the Force.

Dathomir's a potent DS nexus, per FO.

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You know that this fight had cirmustances. Ventress later fought Kenobi (who was inferior to Fisto at this point)

In a spar, not a duel to the death.

Dathomir being a DS nexus in Canon doesn't mean it amps Dark Jedi/Sith Lords. I don't know if it works like in Legends.
BreakofDawn
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February 20th 2020, 2:21 pm
If the DS nexus risked overwhelming Malicos (who still believes himself a Jedi), and he's learned to control it, it sounds like a nexus. You're right though, nexuses aren't exactly clear in canon.
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February 20th 2020, 2:46 pm
BoD wrote:If the DS nexus risked overwhelming Malicos (who still believes himself a Jedi), and he's learned to control it, it sounds like a nexus. You're right though, nexuses aren't exactly clear in canon.
How's this one?

"The planet had a strong connection to the Force... This presence was tapped into by Allya, a rogue Jedi who had been expelled by the Order and exiled to Dathomir." -- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched.
I can't remember which issue it's from but it kind of screams that Dathomir in canon are the same as it was in Legends.
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February 20th 2020, 3:34 pm
Ventress. Although I hold Fisto on a higher pedestal with regards to overall ranking, as well as skill and mastery, Ventress has the right combo to take him down.
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February 20th 2020, 4:09 pm
This Legends or Canon? If Legends, Fisto got dis.
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February 20th 2020, 4:10 pm
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Legends is assumed by default if it's not specified.

And Fisto wins indeed by merit of reacting to several of Sidious's blows.
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