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- Master AzrongerModerator | Champion of the Light
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:03 pm
ILS wrote:I'm not a fan of ranking and comparing debaters, but I want to give special praise to my dear friend @Azronger. He started his illustrious career as a bit of a wildcard, a dark, mysterious entity who trafficked in esoteric and unnatural arguments, ushering in an age of ruthless, authorial-intent-blind scaling logic which left no stone unturned and looked incredulity in the face with a smile. He has always been someone comfortable with pushing the timid boundaries we place on methodology, and successfully fused his dogmatically consistent death-of-the-author methodology with unmatched creativity and novelty in the crafting of arguments - his ruthless adherence to having no sacred ideas has given him greater freedom than any of us. Certainly, some of his craziest ideas - and they have been truly outlandish - have not always been confirmed, but along the way to forming those ideas he tended to make extremely interesting, innovative discoveries and connections within the lore that I doubt we would ever have come upon without him. As time has gone on, he has gone from just being a memetic force of nature to one of the best debaters ever to put the gloves on, and during my most recent stint of debating, he's come up with a number of extremely innovative and salient arguments across a variety of eras and mediums despite the fact we have collectively milked them dry and researched them to death. In my own efforts to make new discoveries, I've often turned to Az to see if he has any new insights to bolster my own ideas, and more than a handful of times in the past year or so I've slowly come around to some of Az's arguments I previously thought were too outlandish to defend. I truly think he's ahead of the curve and, in his own right, has helped define an entirely new era of Star Wars debating. I would go as far as to say he has long surpassed me: more consistent, more original arguments, broader knowledge, and frankly superiority in areas like logic, post formatting and winning debates. If anything I would say it's my turn to refine my own skills, and increase my own knowledge, so that I can return the favours he has done for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcydqSpYN00&t=40s
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- Latham2000Level Three
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:25 pm
Azronger is the king of Sheevites.
- The LostLevel Five
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:11 pm
this pretty accurately sums up how I feel about the most recent wave of debaters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfE9vjK29M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfE9vjK29M
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:33 pm
Who do you count as the most recent wave, though?ILS wrote:this pretty accurately sums up how I feel about the most recent wave of debaters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfE9vjK29M
- The LostLevel Five
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:49 pm
the thread makersBoD wrote:Who do you count as the most recent wave, though?ILS wrote:this pretty accurately sums up how I feel about the most recent wave of debaters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfE9vjK29M
- AA3Level Six
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:58 pm
That's very unspecific... there's a lot of people who make a lot of threads. Though, I suspect I'm probably included in the new wave which makes me sad, cause I really have no desire to be shot. 

- The LostLevel Five
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:00 pm
You're like two waves of debaters deep at this pointNotAA3 wrote:That's very unspecific... there's a lot of people who make a lot of threads. Though, I suspect, I'm probably included in the new wave which makes me sad, cause I really have no desire to be shot.![]()
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Two
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:16 pm
pretty sure he means me and and LOH lol albeit, i havent made a thread in a little bitNotAA3 wrote:That's very unspecific... there's a lot of people who make a lot of threads. Though, I suspect, I'm probably included in the new wave which makes me sad, cause I really have no desire to be shot.![]()
- SeturnaLevel One
Re: Best debaters
on Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:11 am
Cheth wrote:I'll let that slide without taking offense since you probaly haven't seen me debate yet ;D.@Trayus Marauder wrote:Based on what I've seen, I'd say Azronger and DarthAnt66 are among the best out there.
The worst are all individuals that don't come from any of the groups listed
Onto the purpose of this thread, I'm not too familiar with most of the debaters here. I mostly know Amino debaters and like one CV debater (that being Ant), so i don't think i can add much to this thread. But since I've got nothing to do anyways I will.
Best debaters: Vaner Shan (you won't know him), Marc and Ant
Worst: Js (aka Blade of Dorin)
- Spoiler:
Just kidding, Js is great and he knows I know it

- AA3Level Six
Re: Best debaters
on Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:34 am
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:dont talk about ILS like thatNotAA3 wrote:Good. I hope you get shot.

I didn't say anything about ILS though.
- The Fallen WarriorLevel Four
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:26 pm
My love letter to ILS.
this will be short but sweet.
ILS has been debating since 2012 and it has been a pleasure to read some of his older debates and see how far he has come. Everyone enters this atmosphere and changes somewhat, for better or for worse, more bias or less bias something usually happens to change perception.
Not so with ILS, at least not a drastic change. ILS is knowledgeable on all of the verse but personally dosen't take sides in era supremacy most of the time. His methodology differs from everyone else's in that it takes into account the strengths and weaknesses of each character's motives and styles (how they view and apply combative tactics) and works them against each other to reach natural conclusions. No other person on the forum has achieved this single mastery and understanding of the lore's combative scenarios or at least they don't debate it to the same extent. If not for ILS's Analytical studies of Maul and how he functions, Maul would have been lost to lowballing long ago. For the longest time there was an entire brigade led strong to try and rob Maul of his placement and ILS and a few others seemed to quell the arguments time and time again. While I don't agree with his assessment of Maul nor do I fully agree with his arguments regarding Krayt, it is impossible not to recognize the consistent excellent quality he puts out on a regular basis.
These unique reasons are why ILS is one of if not the greatest at versus debating.
Keep up the good work.
this will be short but sweet.
ILS has been debating since 2012 and it has been a pleasure to read some of his older debates and see how far he has come. Everyone enters this atmosphere and changes somewhat, for better or for worse, more bias or less bias something usually happens to change perception.
Not so with ILS, at least not a drastic change. ILS is knowledgeable on all of the verse but personally dosen't take sides in era supremacy most of the time. His methodology differs from everyone else's in that it takes into account the strengths and weaknesses of each character's motives and styles (how they view and apply combative tactics) and works them against each other to reach natural conclusions. No other person on the forum has achieved this single mastery and understanding of the lore's combative scenarios or at least they don't debate it to the same extent. If not for ILS's Analytical studies of Maul and how he functions, Maul would have been lost to lowballing long ago. For the longest time there was an entire brigade led strong to try and rob Maul of his placement and ILS and a few others seemed to quell the arguments time and time again. While I don't agree with his assessment of Maul nor do I fully agree with his arguments regarding Krayt, it is impossible not to recognize the consistent excellent quality he puts out on a regular basis.
These unique reasons are why ILS is one of if not the greatest at versus debating.
Keep up the good work.

- The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:05 pm

yep ILS is one of the best debaters in here
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Two
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:40 pm
ISV, that very nice of u, but was that essay actually necessary? u couldve just said "ILS is good imo" lol
- lorenzo.r.2ndLevel Two
Re: Best debaters
on Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:01 pm
for once, i kinda agree with uKelDorianUnit wrote:He wants a head pat
- HellfireUnitLevel Six
Re: Best debaters
on Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:21 am
@HellfireUnit wrote:Tier 10 ) Sheev walking among mere mortals
> Noone yet but probably Silver is close. His knowledge impressed me the most
Tier 9 ) Debaters with insane skill and knowledge
Ant
Az
Elm
Gideon
Tier 8 ) Very knowledgeable and capable debaters
Grey
ILS
QD
Tier 7 ) These people mastered the EU and are skilled debaters
BoD
DC77
MC
Xolthol
Tier 6 - These people know quite much about EU and promise future
HP
IG
KoB
MP
O-Siri
Tier 5 - Normies
AP
Curry
Tier 4 - People who know about EU but should improve their interpretation skills before debating
EC
Tier 3 - Knows about EU but incapable of debating
MyGod
Tier 2 - Kathleen Kennedy
Erkan12
Will add/remove/adjust some stuff later.
hmm, outdated and cringe list, I have made.
- CuckedCurryLevel Four
Re: Best debaters
on Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:59 pm
I don’t debate, I just state facts
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