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Joruus C’baoth vs Gethzerion Empty Joruus C’baoth vs Gethzerion

on December 18th 2019, 9:02 pm
Both prime

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Battle takes place in a open field.
They start 50 meters away from eacother
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on December 18th 2019, 9:17 pm
i think they have their traits. Joruus is hella smart, and more experienced in fighting thant geth, while geth likely has the better force powers at her disposal, and is more powerful in my eyes.
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on December 18th 2019, 9:46 pm
Geth.
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Joruus C’baoth vs Gethzerion Empty Re: Joruus C’baoth vs Gethzerion

on December 18th 2019, 9:47 pm
EmperorCaedus wrote:Geth.


Reason?
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on December 19th 2019, 1:46 am
@Seturna wrote:
EmperorCaedus wrote:Geth.


Reason?
Palpatine fearing her, and more.
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on December 19th 2019, 1:51 am
Palpatine gets scared of his own shadow. He's a Sith; being paranoid is his thing. He was also afraid of Dooku and Ventress despite Ventress being fodder to Dooku.
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on December 19th 2019, 2:33 am
Gethzerion rather casually one-shotted a post-RotJ Luke with sorcery (or Force Lightning, if you believe Wookieepedia. But the way the novel is written, I'm inclined to believe it was some manner of Nightsister spell that she used). Joruus stalemated Luke in TK, and his lightning wasn't able to immediately incapacitate Luke the way Palpatine's did. While I believe Joruus and Gethzerion have comparable power, I feel Gethzerion has a more lethal skillset than Joruus, though it's entirely believable that Joruus is the more skilled at using the powers he does have.
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on December 19th 2019, 3:10 am
actually joruus is very far above Luke. a luke stronger than the one geth fought against too. they should be more or less equals, but i would give the edge to geth as well. i think this is about as even as it gets tbh.
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on December 19th 2019, 5:26 am
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:actually joruus is very far above Luke. a luke stronger than the one geth fought against too. they should be more or less equals, but i would give the edge to geth as well. i think this is about as even as it gets tbh.
I'm aware the Luke who faced Joruus is stronger than the one Geth faced, but there's no way to quantify his growth between stories. 

Also, I wouldn't go as far as to say he's "far above" Luke. In The Last Command, the two stalemate during a TK struggle, while Luke was being hindered by Luuke's presence. Joruus is simply more knowledgeable, with more developed Force talents. In terms of raw power, we've seen evidence that Joruus and Luke are equal. 

All that aside, it seems we're pretty much in agreement that Gethzerion and Joruus are near equal.
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on December 19th 2019, 5:38 am
i think joruus was confirmed to have been a stronger. Pretty sure there is a quote for that.
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on December 19th 2019, 6:07 am
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:i think joruus was confirmed to have been a stronger. Pretty sure there is a quote for that.
Try to find it.
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on December 19th 2019, 6:22 am
@EmperorCaedus 

Artoo seemed to consider that, pointed out a possible flaw in the reasoning. “I didn’t say it was the tightest theory in the galaxy,” Luke growled at him, a glimmer of annoyance peeking through his fatigue. “Maybe I’m way off the mark. But if I’m not, it’s possible that the five other Jedi Masters from the Outbound Flight project wound up anchored to Master C’baoth.”
Artoo whistled thoughtfully. “Right,” Luke agreed ruefully. “It didn’t bother me any to have Ben around—in fact, I wish he had talked to me more often. But Master C’baoth was a lot more powerful than I was. Maybe it was different with him.”
-- Dark Force Rising
Skywalker was good, all right. With the strange buzzing pressure in his mind he must have known he couldn’t match C’baoth strength for strength. Mara felt the subtle change in his concentration; and suddenly he swung his own lightsaber over his shoulder, the green-white blade scything toward a point midway along the other lightsaber handle.
-- The Last Command

Take them as you will. Second sounds like it's talking about telepathy in reference to "strength for strength" but the first seems pretty unambiguous.
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on December 19th 2019, 6:54 am
thank u, as usual lol
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on December 19th 2019, 8:54 am
BreakofDawn wrote:@EmperorCaedus 

Artoo seemed to consider that, pointed out a possible flaw in the reasoning. “I didn’t say it was the tightest theory in the galaxy,” Luke growled at him, a glimmer of annoyance peeking through his fatigue. “Maybe I’m way off the mark. But if I’m not, it’s possible that the five other Jedi Masters from the Outbound Flight project wound up anchored to Master C’baoth.”
Artoo whistled thoughtfully. “Right,” Luke agreed ruefully. “It didn’t bother me any to have Ben around—in fact, I wish he had talked to me more often. But Master C’baoth was a lot more powerful than I was. Maybe it was different with him.”
-- Dark Force Rising
Skywalker was good, all right. With the strange buzzing pressure in his mind he must have known he couldn’t match C’baoth strength for strength. Mara felt the subtle change in his concentration; and suddenly he swung his own lightsaber over his shoulder, the green-white blade scything toward a point midway along the other lightsaber handle.
-- The Last Command

Take them as you will. Second sounds like it's talking about telepathy in reference to "strength for strength" but the first seems pretty unambiguous.
Luke is notoriously humble. And C'baoth demonstrated a much greater mastery of the Force than what Luke was capable of, which might have given Luke the idea that Joruus was also more powerful than him. However, despite Luke's humble behavior, Luke and C'baoth objectively stalemate in a TK struggle in The Last Command. 

He hit the floor more or less on his feet, dropping down to land on one knee. His hand reached out, and the lightsaber that had been falling toward the clone suddenly changed direction. It arced toward Skywalker's hand-
And stopped dead in midair. Skywalker strained, the muscles of his hand tightening visibly as his mind stretched out. "Not that way, Jedi Skywalker," C'baoth said reprovingly; And Mara glanced over to see that his hand, too, was stretched out toward the errant lightsaber. The clone, for his part, was just standing there in his brown robe, as if he knew that C'baoth would be on his side in this battle.
Maybe he did. Maybe there was nothing left in that body but an extension of C'baoth's own mind.
"The duel must be to the death," C'baoth continued. "It must be weapon against weapon, mind against mind, soul against soul. Anything less will not bring you to the knowledge you must have if you are to properly serve me."
Skywalker was good, all right. With the strange buzzing pressure in his mind he must have known he couldn't match C'baoth strength for strength. Mara felt the subtle change in his concentration; and suddenly he swung his own lightsaber over his shoulder, the green-white blade scything toward a point midway along the other lightsaber handle.
But if C'baoth wouldn't let Skywalker disarm his opponent, he wouldn't let him destroy the weapon, either. Even as the blade sliced downward, a small object shot out of the shadows to Skywalker's right, slamming into his shoulder and deflecting his arm just far enough for his blade to sweep through empty air. An instant later the old Jedi had torn the clone's lightsaber from Luke's mental grasp, sending it back across the room to its owner. The clone raised it to en guard position; wearily, Skywalker got to his feet and prepared to continue the battle.

C'baoth and Luke stalemate for a time over Anakin's lightsaber. C'baoth isn't able to pull it from Luke's telekinetic grasp until after Mara senses a "subtle change in his concentration." Not only that, but C'baoth is unable to tear the lightsaber from Luke's mental grasp until after he's struck Luke with a telekinetically hurled object as well. C'baoth demonstrates greater mastery here in this scene, but the two matched each other in raw power while struggling over the lightsaber.

Not to mention, throughout this whole encounter, Luke is distracted by the buzzing echo in his head caused by his insane clone's presence. 

He needed time to think and plan, and to find a way past the distraction of the buzzing in his mind.

But the distance was too great, or else his mind too distracted by the buzzing to properly draw on the Force.

This distracting buzz was so strong that a barely-trained Mara Jade could feel the echo of it in her own head.

"You're giving  Skywalker a good shot at that part, anyway," Mara bit out, shaking her head to try and clear it. Between her own memories, an echo of the strange buzzing pressure she was picking up from Skywalker's mind, and C'baoth's overbearing presence two meters away, trying to hang on to a line of thought was like trying to fly an airspeeder in a winter windstorm.

So, despite having a constant distraction that was actively hindering him, Luke was able to match Joruus in a raw TK struggle. He only lost his grip on the weapon after redirecting his concentration to try to destroy it, and after being struck by Mara's telekinetically thrown blaster. C'baoth is still well above Luke in skill, knowledge, and experience, but in terms of raw power, the two are at least comparable. After all, RotJ Luke=RotJ Vader in terms of power as stated in many, many sources, and he's had several years to grow past that point. C'baoth is often compared in strength to Vader himself. If anything, Luke logically should have more raw power than C'baoth.
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on December 19th 2019, 10:28 am
thats a good a point i suppose. I can tell that u did not read the blogs me and BreakofDawn made though, as u still think that Luke and Vader are equals, even though Lucas himself has debunked that. Not to mention the fact that Luke many times over complements Vader's powers more than a decade after ROTJ. Even Sidious still thought that Vader was superior to him in DE my man.
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on December 19th 2019, 10:57 am
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:thats a good a point i suppose. I can tell that u did not read the blogs me and BreakofDawn made though, as u still think that Luke and Vader are equals, even though Lucas himself has debunked that. Not to mention the fact that Luke many times over complements Vader's powers more than a decade after ROTJ. Even Sidious still thought that Vader was superior to him in DE my man.
I did read the Vader respect threads. I'm fully aware of your stances on the Luke/Vader debate. I choose to disagree, as there is an abundance of sources, Lucas included, that say the exact opposite. Lucas is notoriously inconsistent when it comes to his stances on various topics, especially things like power scaling. 

DE Sidious might have implied Vader>Luke, yet RotJ Sidious considered Luke
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on December 19th 2019, 5:15 pm
@Underachiever599 wrote:
@lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:thats a good a point i suppose. I can tell that u did not read the blogs me and BreakofDawn made though, as u still think that Luke and Vader are equals, even though Lucas himself has debunked that. Not to mention the fact that Luke many times over complements Vader's powers more than a decade after ROTJ. Even Sidious still thought that Vader was superior to him in DE my man.
I did read the Vader respect threads. I'm fully aware of your stances on the Luke/Vader debate. I choose to disagree, as there is an abundance of sources, Lucas included, that say the exact opposite. Lucas is notoriously inconsistent when it comes to his stances on various topics, especially things like power scaling. 

DE Sidious might have implied Vader>Luke, yet RotJ Sidious considered Luke
I’m staying out of this, but I will point out that Lucas literally says in an interview that Sidious wants Luke because Luke will become more powerful, not that he already is. 

As for your response, I definitely agree that Joruus’ mastery probably made Luke think he was stronger, just wanted to post those.
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on December 19th 2019, 5:55 pm
well, he can have his opinion. i do the same kriff lol

as for joruus, i still think geth is the stronger one regardless. and something else i noticed- the statement about him being as formidable as Vader doenst mean = to Vader. Vader himself is said to be as formidable as sheev, but we know he would always lose in a fight. i consider geth to be more powerful than vader too, so she might be a whole tier above joruus too. what joruus has is hax, wits, experience, and fighting skill, all above geth's own. he can still win this. he just wont be doing so by pure power.
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on December 19th 2019, 11:08 pm
@Underachiever599 wrote:Gethzerion rather casually one-shotted a post-RotJ Luke with sorcery (or Force Lightning, if you believe Wookieepedia.

Wookieepedia is not a source. It wasn't Force lightning.
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on December 20th 2019, 12:18 am
Azronger wrote:
@Underachiever599 wrote:Gethzerion rather casually one-shotted a post-RotJ Luke with sorcery (or Force Lightning, if you believe Wookieepedia.

Wookieepedia is not a source. It wasn't Force lightning.
Couldn't agree more, but I've had people try to debate the point in other forums a couple years back
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on December 20th 2019, 12:33 am
Gethzerion if Dathomir.
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on December 20th 2019, 8:53 am
Prolly Geth.
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