Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

Round 1: Sabers Only

Round 2: Force Only

Round 3: All-Out

Standard stuff

Tenebrous in a good fight

Starkiller's performances against Vader in both TFU Novels respectively indicate he should take Tenebrous without a huge degree of difficulty.

Kek

KingofBlades wrote:Tenebrous in a good fight

Reasons?

OP: Starkiller takes all rounds. He has:

-Better environmental feats (e.g. atomising of The Salvation, re-directing a falling ISD, etc).

-Better combative feats (his ragdolling of Vader, and pulverizing the army of Starkiller clones while exhausted are better than anything Tenebrous has).

The only way I can see Tenebrous being argued above him is via Banite scaling and holistic standing, but neither of those is enough imo.

I hold Tenebrous at Dooku level. Which is sufficient to take out SK

KingofBlades wrote:I hold Tenebrous at Dooku level. Which is sufficient to take out SK

1. Why is Tenebrous at Dooku level?

2. Why is Dooku level sufficient to take out SK? I'd certainly peg SK as on Dooku's level, and he's perhaps higher.

1. Reverse banite scaling from Plagueis who is himself Yoda tier.

2. Being Dooku level in power means he's close enough in power for SK's power edge not to matter nearly as much as the large skill and mastery edge Tenebrous should have over SK.

@KingofBlades

1. Reverse banite scaling from Plagueis who is himself Yoda tier.

1. Why does Tenebrous have any remote closeness with Prime Plagueis?

2. Why is Plagueis Yoda tier?

2. Being Dooku level in power means he's close enough in power for SK's power edge not to matter nearly as much as the large skill and mastery edge Tenebrous should have over SK.

Why is his potential skill and mastery edge more important than SK's power edge? You haven't really gone into any detail on this.

Ragdolling vastly pre-prime Vader who was < Karness frigging Muur.* 

1. I don't have Tenebrous close to Plagueis just as I do not have Dooku close to Yoda. A good approximation for the power gap between Plagueis and Tenebrous would probably be the Anakin v Dooku fight on the IH when Anakin was letting loose prior to Dun Moch.

2.Since Plagueis is ~TPM Palpatine and I don't see a lot of evidence that Sheev grew to any meaningful degree between TPM and ROTS.

3. Due to my belief that power advantages don't matter all that much unless the gap is glaringly apparent. In such circumstances, I believe skill discrepancies decide the outcome of the battle.

Edit: I'm on my phone rn so forgive the briefness of my responses

@KingofBlades

1. I don't have Tenebrous close to Plagueis just as I do not have Dooku close to Yoda. A good approximation for the power gap between Plagueis and Tenebrous would probably be the Anakin v Dooku fight on the IH when Anakin was letting loose prior to Dun Moch.

Why is that a good approximation for the gap between Plagueis and Tenebrous? Once again you've gone into no detail on this point?

2.Since Plagueis is ~TPM Palpatine and I don't see a lot of evidence that Sheev grew to any meaningful degree between TPM and ROTS.

>Daily growth.
>Didn't grow meaningfully.

3. Due to my belief that power advantages don't matter all that much unless the gap is glaringly apparent. In such circumstances, I believe skill discrepancies decide the outcome of the battle.

Once again elaboration is required.

Edit: I'm on my phone rn so forgive the briefness of my responses

There is no forgiveness.

@BreakofDawn

Ragdolling vastly pre-prime Vader who was < Karness frigging Muur.*

Erm, Muur's confrontation with Vader happened in 19BBY, Starkiller's ragdolling of him happened in 2BBY. Vader has 17 years of growth between the two encounters lmao, so no, he wasn't sub-Muur.

Tenebrous without much issue.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Tenebrous without much issue.

Reasons?

Holistic standing has Tenebrous closer to Sheev or Plagueis than Galen who's roughly on par with sub-TPM Maul Vader.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Holistic standing has Tenebrous closer to Sheev or Plagueis than Galen who's roughly on par with sub-TPM Maul Vader.

Why is Vader sub-TPM Maul, and why is Galen on par with Vader?

Because Vader lost his brawl with Maul in ANH, and Galen stalemated Vader twice over in TFU 2.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Because Vader lost his brawl with Maul in ANH, and Galen stalemated Vader twice over in TFU 2.

n-canon and there were other stuff that mattered in that versus.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Because Vader lost his brawl with Maul in ANH, and Galen stalemated Vader twice over in TFU 2.

1. Per Chee, Maul duel is N-Canon.

2. Galen won his first fight with Vader. Plus, their duel happened while SK was exhausted, and Vader specifically tailored his fighting style to perfectly defend against SK.

good fight. i think galen might be more powerful (better feats of power, im sure yall can understand this), but tenebrous is certainly smarter, and overall better with the force. i think SK is more experienced (tenebrous may have been old, but sith by that time werent warriors anymore, and simply trained, while galen had 15 years of experience of fighting against vader, who faced almost all kinds of force users and fighters out there, and proxy, whom vader himself made and programmed i believe), and maybe a better duelist (vader is imo better than tenebrous by TFU, and by TFU 2 he is much better, and also perfected his style to beat SK, who still held his own)

it barely matters anymore that vader lost to SK and galen, he is confirmed to be stronger later on on ANH. and even if not, he grew since then by a good deal. whatever parity in power they had before, is gone by the time of ROTJ.

Tenebrous, fairly easily.

Tenebrous spanks him so hard he cries out for Juno to save him again.

Tenebrous scrapes

Once again, I must request reasons.

Banite scaling. I have nothing against Galen, but Tenebrous found Ramage’s teachings simple. His raw mastery should be vastly beyond galens.