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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 21:31
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This is post joining Arda Melkor, he still has all his power but is in his physical form.

2nd age sauron. 

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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 21:32
Shouldn't Melkor stomp? Sauron is never impressed me.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 21:34
So Melkor before he dispersed his power into Arda? He stomps. Sauron routinely gets humbled by people far beneath the mightiest of ainur. I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if someone like fingolfin had killed Sauron had they fought


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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 21:39
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 21:51
@KingofBlades wrote:So Melkor before he dispersed his power into Arda? He stomps. Sauron routinely gets humbled by people far beneath the mightiest of ainur. I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if someone like fingolfin had killed Sauron had they fought

They both have comparable feats. Even first age sauron contended with Valar twice morgoth got cucked by Tulsa if we are gonna use lowballing
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 21:52
*tulkas
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:00
Remind me of when Sauron ever fought one of the Valar
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:09
@KingofBlades wrote:Remind me of when Sauron ever fought one of the Valar
Most of lotr debating is implied. It is heavily implied Sauron and Melkor fought against the Valar together in the first age when he was under apprenticeship. But we also have a few direct examples:

Haun: this wolf like creature was valar and while sauron did lose, he didn't get instablitzed and it was able to put up a descent fight. Even able to have a tough power to flee away as a vampire.

Lightning tanking: It is not specified which, but the Var sent lightning down upon sauron and the text states he was completely unharmed.

Eru Illuvatar: During the end of the second age numenor was sunk by illuvatar who basically just yeeted it into the ocean, sauron was smack dab in the middle and while he was injured and lost the ability to shapeshift he was fine and walked off.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:16
IMO Sauron would not even defeat Feanor.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:18
@HellfireUnit wrote:IMO Sauron would not even defeat Feanor.

Gil Galad alone would beat feanor kek
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:34
I don't think Gil Galad could match numbers of Balrogs.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:46
Eonwe would wreck Sauron and he's only a maiar
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:48
IIRC, Tolkien said in a letter that Sauron at his strongest was stronger than Melkor at his weakest.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 22:50
The list of non valar who would beat Sauron in a fight. Off the top of my head

Eonwe
Luthien
Tuor
Ecthelion of Gondolin
Fingolfin
Feanor
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 23:21
@KingofBlades wrote:The list of non valar who would beat Sauron in a fight. Off the top of my head

Eonwe
Luthien
Tuor
Ecthelion of Gondolin
Fingolfin
Feanor

You forgot Aragorn. He beasts Sauron in 1v1 in BFME 2, lol.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Mon 7 Oct - 23:48
Aragorn is fodder.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 0:26
Bfme 2 is not canon... why must you enrage me today?
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 1:13
Mate, I was just kidding.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 3:22
Lol, my bad then.


If anyone really thinks this is spite stomp for Melkor I'll edit the thread to round 2 on another post, but I'll ask now what would be a more equitable match? I was thinking the Melkor that got his ass kicked by ungoliant, but I feel like that would be spite for sauron. Obviously weakest melkor that fought fingolfin isn't up for discussion, so right now I'm thinking of doing mid life melkor. He put his energy into gothmog and some other balrogs but not the entire armada yet. Thoughts???
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 5:56
The earliest iteration that Sauron has a shot at is Morgoth after the creation of Angband.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 6:11
Pretty simple comparison: full power Ainur vs Maia.

Anyway, Melkor didn't get "instablitzed", he wrestled with Tulkas (in a far weaker form than the one used in this matchup).
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 6:31
Vorpal Blade wrote:Pretty simple comparison: full power Ainur vs Maia.

Anyway, Melkor didn't get "instablitzed", he wrestled with Tulkas (in a far weaker form than the one used in this matchup).
Wasn't this after Melkor marred the two lamps?
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 8:24
Melkor right after coming to Eä destroys.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 12:57
BFME 1 & 2 is Tolkien Canon.
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Melkor vs Sauron Empty Re: Melkor vs Sauron

on Tue 8 Oct - 14:34
If it wasn't written by JRRT then its not canon.
With the exception of his son Christopher Tolkien who has done brilliant work compiling Tolkien's writing into things like The Silmarillion
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