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DarthSkywalker0
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on October 3rd 2019, 1:47 am
@dark_globe Glad to see you debate on the forum. @StrangerThingsFan77 let's keep it civil
The Ellimist
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on October 3rd 2019, 1:54 am
I guess you can technically point out that research shows professional consensus and aggregation of crowd opinion are often pretty accurate, sometimes more accurate than your attempt to figure it out by yourself. Of course, that doesn't mean appealing to it makes for a very productive conversation in the context of a forum discussion (just as a general observation, not necessarily whatever was going on here).

And yeah, keep it civil please.

DarthSkywalker0
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on October 3rd 2019, 1:56 am
@The Ellimist wrote:I guess you can technically point out that research shows professional consensus and aggregation of crowd opinion are often pretty accurate, sometimes more accurate than your attempt to figure it out by yourself.  Of course, that doesn't mean appealing to it makes for a very productive conversation in the context of a forum discussion (just as a general observation, not necessarily whatever was going on here).

And yeah, keep it civil please.

Per your point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd
NotAA3
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on October 3rd 2019, 3:09 am
@dark_globe

this is a debating forum about fictional world kiddo not a real world .

That doesn't mean we deliberately started using flawed argumentation. Common consensus as I've already explained in great detail doesn't actually give us an answer to VS battles, especially not when most of the members of the forum have their own biases and favourite characters, and almost none of them are trying to look for an objective answer to SW questions, but rather trying to scale their favourite character as high as possible.

so sometimes to save time i appeal to it if the people i take as credible debaters share my opinion and opinion of others
and if i deem the battle as one sided (in my opinion) i don´t want to waste time to prove the obvious (that is my POV)

So if you're not here to debate properly, because you can't be bothered, then why are you here?

don´t call me a sheep cause you know jack about me .
i´m anything but .

As I said, I've seen very little evidence of this from the vast majority of your posts.


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on October 3rd 2019, 3:09 am
@DarthSkywalker0 wrote:@dark_globe Glad to see you debate on the forum. @StrangerThingsFan77 let's keep it civil

Apologies.
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on October 3rd 2019, 6:16 am
@Jake wrote:To reinforce Cilghal's posts;

General Grievous' cybernetics and unorthodox fighting form make him practically invincible in combat according to Star Wars: Fandex Deluxe Edition, with Dooku believing that "few, if any" beings would be able to stand against him in a duel, and San Hill claiming his abilities would outstrip any Jedi. After just 10 seconds of fighting, Adi Gallia tags Grievous and immediately gains the upper hand, forcing him to flee out of fear for his life;

So Close: Above Saleucami, Adi crosses sabers with Grievous and gains the upper hand in their duel. But a ruptured docking tube allows him to make yet another quick getaway.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars New Battlefronts (scan)

During their mission to rescue Jedi Eeth Koth, Gallia steps in just as Grievous is about to kill Obi-Wan. Her skill with a lightsaber sends the cyborg running!
Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Jedi Heroes

To address counters I've seen to these;
1. The New Battlefronts quote says the docking tube collapse is what allows Grievous to escape, not the reason for him fleeing in the first place. Meaning there's no contradiction with Jedi Heroes; Grievous was sent packing by Gallia's skill, and this moment of chaos just gave him the opening to run away from that.

2. Grievous defeating her 35 episodes later (chronologically) can't really be used either, as we don't see the final part of the duel. Grievous enters with a squad of droids that are shown taking out her Clones quicker than the converse, and Dave Filoni, George Lucas, Matt Wood etc. all take every opportunity to highlight Grievous' cowardice, making this win highly questionable. This has the same setup as the Koth fight.

Against Savage, you have to remember a strength advantage is a factor which TCW and its tie-ins heavily emphasise - more so than any other material - to such an extent that augmentation barely seems to be a thing at times (see Dooku, Ventress, and even Obi-Wan and Anakin). For Gallia to only be pushed back by Savage "little by little" is insane.

Gallia stomps Grievous in 10 seconds, who shits all over Malgus in a war of accolades. Savage's strength advantage is exaggerated by outside factors and shouldn't be seen as a weakness for her, as she still gives him a decent fight.

This is some major Grievous disrespect. Exactly why I don’t consider TCW as part of the classic EU.
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on October 3rd 2019, 8:54 am
Mixing TCW with the old EU to say Gallia sent Grievous packing when he fodderised her in the original version of her death is a great meme though
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on October 3rd 2019, 9:40 am
ILS wrote:Mixing TCW with the old EU to say Gallia sent Grievous packing when he fodderised her in the original version of her death is a great meme though
Well, Gallia’s death in obsession was made non-canon iirc.
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on October 3rd 2019, 10:42 am
Non canon by TCW, which in my eyes is non canon
MasterCilghal
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on October 3rd 2019, 10:47 am
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like it either.

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on October 3rd 2019, 2:18 pm
Malgus än inferior force user in savage opress defeated her. Malgus takes the cake in all of these rounds
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on March 14th 2020, 8:30 am
swtor.com wrote:"The Empire and Republic call on their most powerful heroes to board the Sith’s stolen battlestation and bring an end to their march across the galaxy. But the rogue Sith was prepared, and has readied the battlestation in preparation for the confrontation that lies ahead. Now the most elite heroes in the galaxy must battle their way through a seemingly endless army of droids and soldiers before facing off with the rogue Sith to crush their new Empire once and for all."

That quote definitely implies that it's all of the protags that go on to fight Malgus in FE. Given we know Malgus loses, though it's a close battle iirc, it's reasonable to claim that Malgus > Act III HoT.
The Lost
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on March 14th 2020, 8:36 am
Any of the protags are able to solo that fight.
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on March 14th 2020, 8:53 am
ILS wrote:Any of the protags are able to solo that fight.
Doesn't mean it's the canonical route though. For example, I can play SW and solo Foundry, but Foundry is a group mission. The desc for FE seems to imply that it's a group mission too.
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on March 14th 2020, 9:04 am
@IG wrote:
ILS wrote:Any of the protags are able to solo that fight.
Doesn't mean it's the canonical route though. For example, I can play SW and solo Foundry, but Foundry is a group mission. The desc for FE seems to imply that it's a group mission too.
Right, but they can do it. It's a valid option.
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on March 14th 2020, 9:06 am
ILS wrote:
@IG wrote:
ILS wrote:Any of the protags are able to solo that fight.
Doesn't mean it's the canonical route though. For example, I can play SW and solo Foundry, but Foundry is a group mission. The desc for FE seems to imply that it's a group mission too.
Right, but they can do it. It's a valid option.
Which is besides the point though. Technically we can do any flashpoint solo, doesn't mean that's the canonical choice. Refer to Foundry for that.
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on March 14th 2020, 9:24 am
@IG wrote:
ILS wrote:
@IG wrote:
ILS wrote:Any of the protags are able to solo that fight.
Doesn't mean it's the canonical route though. For example, I can play SW and solo Foundry, but Foundry is a group mission. The desc for FE seems to imply that it's a group mission too.
Right, but they can do it. It's a valid option.
Which is besides the point though. Technically we can do any flashpoint solo, doesn't mean that's the canonical choice. Refer to Foundry for that.
I didn't say it's the canonical choice. I said that the game shows us that any of the protags are capable of defeating Malgus alone. What happened and what could have happened need not be the same thing for the latter to still be used as evidence.
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on March 14th 2020, 10:00 am
Malgus oneshots all rounds
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on March 14th 2020, 10:01 am
KelDorianUnit wrote:Gallia

Malgus

Gallia
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on March 14th 2020, 10:03 am
Malgus has a replacement for Eleena Daru.
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on March 14th 2020, 10:09 am
Gallia and Malgus are two completely unrelated characters from different eras. I think Malgus's brutal and skilful fighting style will grant him the victory.
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on March 14th 2020, 11:26 am
malgus ragdolls mismatch
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