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on July 31st 2019, 6:09 pm
All at their primes. Standard rules.
DarthAnt66
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on July 31st 2019, 6:10 pm
Team 2 is just as powerful, more skilled, and far more stable.
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on July 31st 2019, 6:14 pm
Team 2 in 1 heck of a fight.
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on July 31st 2019, 6:34 pm
Team 2.
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on July 31st 2019, 7:56 pm
Yeah team 2 -- Vaylin is a weak link.
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on July 31st 2019, 7:58 pm
Team 2
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on July 31st 2019, 8:54 pm
Team two, Galen is a weak link.
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on July 31st 2019, 8:58 pm
Vaylin!Unchained is definitely the MVP though.
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on July 31st 2019, 9:00 pm
Team 2 has it.
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on July 31st 2019, 9:17 pm
I'd go with team 1.
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on July 31st 2019, 9:20 pm
@Syndiciate You seem to have an opinion contrary to the public consensus. Mind articulating why you believe team 1 to be superior?
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on July 31st 2019, 9:40 pm
@Syndiciate wrote:I'd go with team 1.

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on July 31st 2019, 9:55 pm
@DC77 (Reborn) wrote:@Syndiciate You seem to have an opinion contrary to the public consensus. Mind articulating why you believe team 1 to be superior?

Well, considering Marek's innate potential is on the level of someone like Luke Skywalker and that as of the end of TFU he was able to ragdoll the likes of Vader and go toe toe with Sidious despite not being in peak condition, I'd say that makes him the MVP and that Vaylin herself should be powerful enough to hold off either Revan or Outlander long enough for Galen to beat his opponent. Granted, my knowledge of Vaylin isn't the most robust so there's definitely room for debate.


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KingofBlades
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on July 31st 2019, 10:02 pm
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Ragdolling Vader isn't impressive at this level and Marek didn't go "toe to toe" with Sidious he got stomped when Sidious fought for real in the DS ending
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on July 31st 2019, 10:10 pm
@Syndiciate Fair enough.
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on July 31st 2019, 10:13 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:Galen and Vaylin vs Outlander and Revan 1076326320 Galen and Vaylin vs Outlander and Revan 1076326320
Ragdolling Vader isn't impressive at this level and Marek didn't go "toe to toe" with Sidious he got stomped when Sidious fought for real in the DS ending

The DS ending is non-canon and within actual continuity, even a desperate Sidious was incapable of outright overwhelming Galen with his lightning despite said that lightning being powerful enough to pierce Sidious's own Force defenses.
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on July 31st 2019, 10:21 pm
The novel shows Marek entering oneness when he faces sidious. So his showing against Sidious is nonapplicable to normal fights. And the DS ending while non canon from a continuity perspective is still canon in how it displays the power of characters
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on July 31st 2019, 10:23 pm
Galen enters oneness after the lightning clash, not before.
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on July 31st 2019, 10:24 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:The novel shows Marek entering oneness when he faces sidious. So his showing against Sidious is nonapplicable to normal fights. And the DS ending while non canon from a continuity perspective is still canon in how it displays the power of characters

No it doesn't. I've already debunked this claim in a thread of mine: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wars-universe/4015-57038/forums/star-wars-misconceptions-the-force-unleashed-franc-1944208/


Galen enters oneness after the lightning clash, not before.

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on July 31st 2019, 10:26 pm
If Sidious can resist the attack from oneness Galen then he obviously wasn't going all out against normal Galen
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on July 31st 2019, 10:28 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:If Sidious can resist the attack from oneness Galen then he obviously wasn't going all out against normal Galen

I address that point as well in the same thread: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wars-universe/4015-57038/forums/star-wars-misconceptions-the-force-unleashed-franc-1944208/
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on July 31st 2019, 10:36 pm
No but this logic is questionable. If Marek is comparable to Sidious in his base state then he should've completely overwhelmed him once he enters oneness. And just because a blast is omnidirectional doesn't mean the energy in the blast is evenly distributed. The blast could easily be omnidirectional and still focus the majority of the power in a single direction
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on July 31st 2019, 10:43 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:No but this logic is questionable. If Marek is comparable to Sidious in his base state then he should've completely overwhelmed him once he enters oneness. 

Again, this point has already been addressed in the thread I linked.

@KingofBlades wrote:And just because a blast is omnidirectional doesn't mean the energy in the blast is evenly distributed. The blast could easily be omnidirectional and still focus the majority of the power in a single direction

Not disputing this. But considering his primary concern would've been to prevent the stormtroopers from firing on Juno and the Rebels. He would reasonably be sending the majority of the energy towards THEM and not Sidious since they're the immediate threat to the people he's trying to save. The novel emphasizes this: 

"A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the Rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow's ramp.

"No!" the apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials." - The Force Unleashed. 
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on July 31st 2019, 10:53 pm
@Syndiciate wrote:
@KingofBlades wrote:No but this logic is questionable. If Marek is comparable to Sidious in his base state then he should've completely overwhelmed him once he enters oneness. 

Again, this point has already been addressed in the thread I linked.

@KingofBlades wrote:And just because a blast is omnidirectional doesn't mean the energy in the blast is evenly distributed. The blast could easily be omnidirectional and still focus the majority of the power in a single direction

Not disputing this. But considering his primary concern would've been to prevent the stormtroopers from firing on Juno and the Rebels. He would reasonably be sending the majority of the energy towards THEM and not Sidious since they're the immediate threat to the people he's trying to save.
You didn't address it at all in your thread. The thread cites Sidious being desperate and feeling pain to show parity between base Galen and Sidious. However this is illogical because if base Galen is comparable to Sidious then he would easily overwhelm him once he enters oneness. This specific point is not addressed in the post. 

You also say that Marek diverts most of his power to save the rebels. This is also illogical. The amount of energy needed to protect the rebels from a bunch of stormtoopers is less than insignificant to the energy needed to deal with Darth freaking Sidious.
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on July 31st 2019, 11:01 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:
@Syndiciate wrote:
@KingofBlades wrote:No but this logic is questionable. If Marek is comparable to Sidious in his base state then he should've completely overwhelmed him once he enters oneness. 

Again, this point has already been addressed in the thread I linked.

@KingofBlades wrote:And just because a blast is omnidirectional doesn't mean the energy in the blast is evenly distributed. The blast could easily be omnidirectional and still focus the majority of the power in a single direction

Not disputing this. But considering his primary concern would've been to prevent the stormtroopers from firing on Juno and the Rebels. He would reasonably be sending the majority of the energy towards THEM and not Sidious since they're the immediate threat to the people he's trying to save.
You didn't address it at all in your thread. The thread cites Sidious being desperate and feeling pain to show parity between base Galen and Sidious. However this is illogical because if base Galen is comparable to Sidious then he would easily overwhelm him once he enters oneness. This specific point is not addressed in the post. 

You also say that Marek diverts most of his power to save the rebels. This is also illogical. The amount of energy needed to protect the rebels from a bunch of stormtoopers is less than insignificant to the energy needed to deal with Darth freaking Sidious.

I'll quote directly from the thread since you seemed to have missed it: 

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"3. Galen released the explosion of energy in order to kill the imperials who were about to gun down Juno and the Rebel leaders in order to given them time to escape. Given the Rogue Shadow is shown to be engulfed by the explosion and Galen's intent was to save the love of his life and the fledgling rebellions, it would not have made sense for him to have released a blast of energy powerful enough to have overwhelmed the Rogue Shadow's shield meaning it's likely he scaled back the power of the blast or spread the energy he released over a wider area in order to keep from overwhelming its shields. 

"A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the Rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow's ramp. "No!" the apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials." - The Force Unleashed.

3A. As you can see from the underlines section, Galen only dripped his defenses and entered a state of Oneness AFTER he saw the stormtroopers about to gun down Juno and the Rebels. This is despite noticing their arrival beforehand. I.E. his logical motivation for striking at the Imperials is to STOP them from gunning down Juno and the Rebels."


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You're missing the point. By the time Galen had entered Oneness, he was no longer concerned with Sidious. He had literally dropped his defenses with his full attention now being on the Imperials who were about to gun down Juno and the Rebels.


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