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Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) Vs Caedus Empty Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) Vs Caedus

on Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:41 am
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KingofBlades
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:53 am
Anakin low to med dif
Greysentinel365
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:15 am
Anakin with difficulty. Caedus might win if he pull out something esoteric.
Meatpants
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:35 am
@Greysentinel365 wrote:Anakin with difficulty. Caedus might win if he pull out something esoteric.
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:46 am
Anakin with no difficulty
Meatpants
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:58 am
Ehh, then again on second thought, Caedus was uncapable of ragdolling Katarn directly. Maybe Anakin low-mid diff at most.
MasterCilghal
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:12 am
Anakin in a fairly good fight.
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:55 am
I can only see Caedus winning in freak accident where he uses a power to surprise Anakin or something. So maybe 1 or 2 out of 10.
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:24 am
Anakin effortlessly.
Blade_of_Dorin
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:54 pm
Anakin, little difficulty
darthbane77
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on Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:48 pm
Anakin should win this with relatively little difficulty.
Gaunter O'Dimm
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on Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:30 pm
Caedus. Anakin isn't anywhere near GM Luke.
darthbane77
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on Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:08 am
@Gaunter O'Dimm wrote:Caedus. Anakin isn't anywhere near GM Luke.

Neither is Caedus.
Blade_of_Dorin
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on Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:17 am
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Gaunter O'Dimm
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on Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:47 pm
@darthbane77 wrote:
@Gaunter O'Dimm wrote:Caedus. Anakin isn't anywhere near GM Luke.

Neither is Caedus.

Legacy of the Force: Fury wrote:Three YVH droids were left. And Jacen. Against Luke and Ben. Jacen was Luke's match, which meant Ben had to cope with three combat droids. The odds weren't good.
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on Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:25 pm
So we gonna act like Luke effortlessly pinning Caedus to a chair via the force didn't happen?
SithSauce
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on Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:40 pm
@Gaunter O'Dimm wrote:
@darthbane77 wrote:
@Gaunter O'Dimm wrote:Caedus. Anakin isn't anywhere near GM Luke.

Neither is Caedus.

Legacy of the Force: Fury wrote:Three YVH droids were left. And Jacen. Against Luke and Ben. Jacen was Luke's match, which meant Ben had to cope with three combat droids. The odds weren't good.
What makes you think Anakin can't match Luke the same way Caedus "could"
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on Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:57 am
Anakin.
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on Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:58 am
Good old Skywalker.
Gaunter O'Dimm
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on Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:34 am
@KingofBlades wrote:So we gonna act like Luke effortlessly pinning Caedus to a chair via the force didn't happen?

No, we gonna remember that:
- in that particular situation Luke was pissed off and took Caedus by surprise
- that particular situation took place before their duel, while Luke's statement regarding Caedus being his match comes from after their duel, when he was able to gain an actual assessment of Caedus' strength
- by Caedus' admition his power was growing with each day:

Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines wrote:And, as history repeated itself because it had no other choice, Jacen was more powerful than any of them except Luke. And he was growing closer to Luke's strength by the day.

@SithSauce wrote:What makes you think Anakin can't match Luke the same way Caedus "could"

Lack of feats against opponents even close to GM Luke 's level comes to mind.
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on Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:15 am
The "match" quote likely refers to the matching of combatants. Luke is fighting Jacen, so Ben has to fight the droids.

Everyone, including both Luke and Jacen, believe Luke can beat Jacen in a fight -- especially after their first fight.
Ziggy
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on Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:39 pm
@Gaunter O'Dimm wrote:
@KingofBlades wrote:So we gonna act like Luke effortlessly pinning Caedus to a chair via the force didn't happen?

- in that particular situation Luke was pissed off and took Caedus by surprise


Not relevant.  

Being surprised wouldn't preclude Caedus lashing back given enough time to gather his strength and wits.... and he had an entire conversation to move himself an inch out of that chair  Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) Vs Caedus 2829155256

He couldn't for all his efforts   Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) Vs Caedus 2829155256

In spite of Luke's Lack of effort to keep him there Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) Vs Caedus 2829155256


- that particular situation took place before their duel, while Luke's statement regarding Caedus being his match comes from after their duel, when he was able to gain an actual assessment of Caedus' strength


Only if you construe being "Luke's Match" with being "Luke's equal".  

As oppose to how the statement was suppose interpreted...  being Luke's current opponent at the time.

And when you account for happenings after their duel and the aforementioned snippet, being Luke's equal isn't feasible..




Luke's StealthX nudged him again from behind-how? Caedus couldn't see. Force push? Something metallic inside the fuselage shrieked. He had a sense of someone rummaging furiously in the drives as if looking for a dropped hydrospanner, throwing fragments into the coils. He's ripping the thing apart...

Caedus tried to block Luke in the Force and suddenly got an idea of just how much power Luke could muster. His seat shot forward, sheared off the runners, tipped to one side, and he hit the console at an angle before he could buffer the collision with the Force. Something cracked in his chest.

-Legacy of the Force: Revelation




TLDR;  Luke has ragdolled his nephew with the-element-of-surprise tm and without.

I have reason to believe these instances depict the true power disparity between them and that anything else is mere plot circumstance.

Given that Luke often jobs against the second main villain of that series; Lumiya, who is in fact Vader's lesser, we can hand-wave any feat Jacen has that soley relies on scaling from him, which concludes my response to your final statement :

Lack of feats against opponents even close to GM Luke 's level comes to mind.

Jacen is not even close to GM Lukes level.

If you want to find out where Jacen's level is You should go read literally every other fight he's been in. Including vs Aurra Sing. Someone who is sub Ayla secura level in Anakins era.

MasterCilghal
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on Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:38 pm
@Gaunter O'Dimm wrote:Caedus. Anakin isn't anywhere near GM Luke.
While the novel mentions that the first time Luke “ragdolled” Caedus he was taken off guard, so i’ll Give him the benefit of the doubt, there is no denying Caedus is far behind Luke in power, based on both their force battle in revelation and this statement:

"Exactly." Luke's gaze slid away from the table. "Every future that begins with me going after Caedus ends in darkness. I know I'm the only one who can be sure of stopping him, but no matter how I envision it, it always leads to darkness
."
-invincibile
If Jacen were anywhere near Luke, the latter wouldn’t be sure he could take him.
SithSauce
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on Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:39 pm
Anakin, not an easy fight
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on Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:00 pm
Caedus imo, due to Force.
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