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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:36 am
High tier Jedi Master vs High tier Sith Lord in their respective ages battle, all out, both in their primes, battle takes place on the fields of Dantooine
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:07 am
Traya tools him
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:10 am
Traya tools someone capable of contending with Maul? Big claim. You have any arguments to support your contention?
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:01 am
Not really convinced that Jinn has the power to ragdoll three KOTOR era council members simultaneously.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:05 pm
As if Jinn is contending with Traya and isn't one-shotted in the Force.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:04 pm
As a combat feat, I think Jinn lasting that long and doing as well as he did against Maul is better than ragdolling three relatively mediocre Jedi and losing to a Light-sided Meetra Surik at the centre of an extremely potent dark side nexus.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:27 pm
Qui gon would take any lightsaber only contest, but Traya is just too powerful with the force.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:45 pm
Traya's best feat isn't even the High Council feat.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:47 pm
@LadyKulvax wrote:Traya's best feat isn't even the High Council feat.
There’s also the Sion and Visas Marr one’s that are very impressive.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:50 pm
Sion tanked an enraged dark Force wave from Nihilus and walked it off. Traya casually choked out a far more powerful and durable Sion. She roflgodstomps Jinn.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:56 pm
Not to mention that Trayus academy Traya is confirmed to be more powerful  than Nihilus:

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Under normal circumstances she should still be in the same tier as he is, Nihilus being one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history. She’s insane, it’s unquestionable. Furthermore the description in the guide points to the exile defeating her with great difficulty.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:02 pm
It's referring to Traya being more powerful than Surik, not Nihilus. Nihilus is the most powerful person in Kotor 2... if he can be referred to as such. He's more an entity that can destroy worlds and make them void of the Force in a word.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:03 pm
@mastercilghal wrote:Not to mention that Trayus academy Traya is confirmed to be more powerful  than Nihilus:

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Under normal circumstances she should still be in the same tier as he is, Nihilus being one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history. She’s insane, it’s unquestionable. Furthermore the description in the guide points to the exile defeating her with great difficulty.

That quote is saying that Traya is stronger than Surik, NOT Nihilus, lol.

OP-Jinn would win a duel, but I'm unsure how well he'd stand up to Traya's Force onslaught. Leaning Traya.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:04 pm
@Meatpants wrote:It's referring to Traya being more powerful than Surik, not Nihilus. Nihilus is the most powerful person in Kotor 2.
No it’s not. It refers to the fact that Traya is a more powerful opponent than either Nihilus or Sion. And it makes perfect sense when you consider that Sion was able to defend himself from Nihilus but was ragdolled by Kreia
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:04 pm
He's not standing up at all.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:05 pm
Have you not talked to Kreia describing Nihilus?
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:10 pm
You do get that Traya > starving Nihilus would still be true even if you were right, right?
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:14 pm
That quote is up for interpretation but the exile isn’t even mentioned in the phrase before. Also consider that Trayus academy amped Kreia is the toughest opponent in the game plus the scaling AP has presented and it makes all the more clear. TA Traya>Nihilus
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:40 pm
Yeah but it's a new sentence, "Although Traya was more powerful, the Exile ...." I don't think anyone here interprets that as Traya > Nihilus, but of course she's >>> Sion.

Being the toughest battle in the game is irrelevant here, especially since the Nihilus you fight is weakened by draining Surik. That's literally the only reason why he pulls out his lightsaber.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:55 pm
@Meatpants wrote:Yeah but it's a new sentence, "Although Traya was more powerful, the Exile ...." I don't think anyone here interprets that as Traya > Nihilus, but of course she's >>> Sion.

Being the toughest battle in the game is irrelevant here, especially since the Nihilus you fight is weakened by draining Surik. That's literally the only reason why he pulls out his lightsaber.
You forget that the exile underwent a massive power growth throughout the game due to her restoring her lost connection to the force, so it is likely the version of Surik Nihilus faced is less strong than the one Traya faced. As for the statement, fair enough, but i interpret it the other way, based especially on the Sion scaling.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:38 pm
Traya probably.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:40 pm
You’re literally basing it off a faulty interpretation. And considering how Kreia hypes Nihilus, the fact that YOU, a wound in the Force has to face him, and his superior feats like one shotting planets of the Force makes Nihilus easily superior.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:52 pm
@Meatpants wrote:You’re literally basing it off a faulty interpretation. And considering how Kreia hypes Nihilus, the fact that YOU, a wound in the Force has to face him, and his superior feats like one shotting planets of the Force makes Nihilus easily superior.
My point still stands though. Sion resisted an attack from Nihilus but was ragdolled with clear ease by TA amped Traya. Under normal circumstances, I agree that Nihilus is superior (hence her statements that hype him, or should I say it, up) but while empowered all evidence points towards her being superior by an indeterminate margin.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:55 pm
Traya, I guess.
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on Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:56 pm
Using deleted cutscenes only goes so far. Anyway, the comparison is flawed. He didn't resist the attack, he got ragdolled by Nihilus.
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