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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:00 pm
This is not a gauntlet, but simply some listed characters, so they are listed in no order whatsoever, and i want to know how strong you guys think Ulic is, and whom he beats, and whom he doenst. This is Ulic at his prime.

1- Prime Malgus
2- TCW Anakin
3- AOTC Mace Windu
4- Jedi Dooku
5- Jedi Revan (i believe he is also called Redeemed Revan)
6- Vitiate (novel, no nexus or anything like that)
7- ROTJ Luke
8- Kar Vastor (with le jungle)
9- Ajunta Pall
10- Mid Game Galen Marek (TFU 1)
11- Mace Windu's strike team without Mace Windu.
12- DOE Darth Bane (without physical deterioration caused by the dark side)
13- Meetra Surik (prime)
14- Jaina Solo (not amped by Luke)
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:16 pm
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:03 pm
1- Prime Malgus

Might stop here but 90% sure he passes since he was repeatedly stated in SWTOR to be = Exar Kun.


2- TCW Anakin

Clears. 


3- AOTC Mace Windu
Clears, goodish fight.


4- Jedi Dooku

Clears, decent fight.


5- Jedi Revan (i believe he is also called Redeemed Revan)

Clears.


6- Vitiate (novel, no nexus or anything like that)
Probably stops.



7- ROTJ Luke

Clears.



8- Kar Vastor (with le jungle)

Depends on how he fights him. If he uses the Force, he clears. If he fights him H2H, he stops.


9- Ajunta Pall

Clears.


10- Mid Game Galen Marek (TFU 1)

Clears.


11- Mace Windu's strike team without Mace Windu.

Clears.


12- DOE Darth Bane (without physical deterioration caused by the dark side)

Clears.


13- Meetra Surik (prime)

Clears.


14- Jaina Solo (not amped by Luke)

Clears.
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:39 pm
5- Jedi Revan (i believe he is also called Redeemed Revan)

Clears

Lmao
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:40 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:
5- Jedi Revan (i believe he is also called Redeemed Revan)

Clears

Lmao
Cute response. Very insightful and detailed, as I've come to expect from you.
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:54 pm
hmm seems to me that BOD has a good opinion of him, enough to say he beats prime malgus. interestingu
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:08 pm
@lorenzo.r.2nd A relative equal of Exar Kun > prime Malgus:

AMONG THE KRATH, EXAR KUN CAME FACE-TO-FACE WITH ANOTHER FALLEN JEDI WHOSE STRENGTH MATCHED HIS OWN—ULIC QEL–DROMA. QEL-DROMA HAD FULLY EMBRACED THE DARK SIDE AFTER UNSUCCESSFULLY TRYING TO INFILTRATE THE KRATH AND DISMANTLE THEIR CULT FROM WITHIN.


Exar Kun's power grew. He ordered the Massassi to build immense temples and to seek out Naga Sadow's lost battleship. He also used Sith alchemy to create horrific monsters, including terentateks that hungered for the blood of Force users. But powerful as he was, he could sense a distant rival: Ulic Qel-Droma.



Now, he [Exar Kun] sought out the only other Sith practitioner who could challenge him -- Ulic Qel Droma.
Among the Krath, Exar Kun came face to face with another fallen Jedi, whose strength matched his own - Ulic Qel-Droma.
Exar Kun and Ulic fought, but they were too evenly matched for either to gain the upper hand. Their battle might have gone on for hours but for the macabre manifestation of a host of Sith spirits, led by the shade of Marka Ragnos.
While Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma battled, spirits of ancient Sith Lords observed the contest. The Sith spirits saw that the battle would ultimately end with both men dead; therefore, it would be of no use to the Sith if the fight continued. They immediately stopped the battle and declared that Kun and Qel-Droma would be the new Dark Lords of the Sith.
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:10 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:
@KingofBlades wrote:
5- Jedi Revan (i believe he is also called Redeemed Revan)

Clears

Lmao
Cute response. Very insightful and detailed, as I've come to expect from you.
I thought the Malak quote's very existence made your post's lolworthiness self evident. Also let's not talk about my lack of giving insightful responses when I can point to multiple instances where I left you nice detailed posts...only for you to not respond.
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:14 pm
I thought the Malak quote's very existence made your post self evidently lolworthy.
Well then, if a single quote that treats Malak > Kun as a theory, who am I to question this?



Also let's not talk about my lack of giving insightful responses when I can point to multiple instances where I left you nice detailed posts...only for you to not respond.
Hmm.


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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:15 pm
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:16 pm
i say he clears however might stop at 6 or maybe 8
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:21 pm
The opinion of Gnost-Dural notwithstanding, there are numerous sources that make it clear Exar Kun is > Ulic both prior, during and and after their duel. Hell, Ulic is pretty clearly < Vodo, who telekinetically disarmed Ulic and blocked his Force powers off. People contend that he had help, yet Ulic was several years of 'tremendous' power growth removed from stomping all of Vodo's aid there.

In the duel they were equals, because this was a fight as swordsmen. It didn't include any Force attacks.

So Coruscant!Kun >> Vodo > Ulic is a thing.

But that doesn't mean that Ulic doesn't do well here, when I say he stomped Vodo's aid, vastly pre-prime I meant it. Keeping in mind that this included Nomi Sunrider, who at that point had twice wrecked Aleema Keto who is a planetary dark sider, with the power to dominate millions and who can casually husk people by accident with her gestures of power.

Then we have Tott who went on to buffet a desert storm that had such intense heat it literally reduced people to ash instantly and was the size of a full-blown typhoon.

That's not including Cay and the others who were with them.

So Ulic rocks.
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on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:23 pm
BreakofDawn wrote:
I thought the Malak quote's very existence made your post self evidently lolworthy.
Well then, if a single quote that treats Malak > Kun as a theory, who am I to question this?



Also let's not talk about my lack of giving insightful responses when I can point to multiple instances where I left you nice detailed posts...only for you to not respond.

Good point. Maybe I should have explained that I have an IRL condition and the medication for it makes it difficult for me to keep an active attention span past a few posts and despite knowing this you keep posting long, drawn out posts that you know I most likely won't be able to respond to. I thought I'd already explained this, but I guess not.
1. Lmao really? The quote is plainly theorizing about WHAT gave Malak greater power than Kun, not if it did. Let's not cling to debunked interpretations shall we?

2. What does any of what you just said have to do with me pointing out the irony in implying I only give Twinz style one liners despite me writing multiple detailed posts to you in various topics?
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:03 am
Debunked interpretations or the fact the quote was stright up cut from existence by WOTC and replaced by a source that got the same treatment and was replaced itself by the KOTOR:CG? Something Cory J. Herndon himself supports.

Which leaves us with the actual KotOR source material which has SF!Malak on par with unamped Traya and a magnitude beneath Nihilus (Duh), who is scaled above by Nadd, Ragnos and obviously Exar Kun.

You're a Revan wanker so I know you'll defend that quote to your death but it f-ucks with the scaling so badly it isn't funny. So Malak completely dwarfs the power of NR era Luke Skywalker by your logic? Kek.
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:06 am
@LadyKulvax wrote:

You're a Revan wanker so I know you'll defend that quote yo your death but it kark with the scaling so badly it isn't funny. So Malak completely dwarfs the power of NR era Luke Skywalker by your logic? Kek.

Times are changing. That's all I'll say about Kun and Malak. But to BoD, who accepts the quote, using that interpretation is nerf herder
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:03 am
@LadyKulvax: Your emails to Tom Veitch aren’t canon, lmao. But I’ll say that Exar Kun is going to rise.
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:05 am
What the f-uck does Tom Veitch have to do with this?
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:10 am
Kun being near NR Luke lmao. By logical scaling, Totj Kun > Ood = Sedriss <<< DE Luke << JA Luke << JA Spirit Kun with Kyp.

Decaf gave me an interesting analogy for kun actually.

Living Kun is a small fuel tank that’s full, but JA Kun is a large one that’s almost empty. JA Kun is more powerful, but he needs a medium (body) to exercise said power. Therefore, Totj Kun << DE Luke

Your email to veitch saying Totj Kun > JA Kun is the only semi reliable source saying that. Kueller only managed to beat a ridiculously injured Luke by the way.

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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:07 am
Literally everything you've said is wrong, you're acting as if this is debatable. It isn't, it never was. Not one single source states Kun was stronger as a spirit. It makes absolutely no sense that he would be. Both Tom Veitch and Kevin J. Anderson make it blatantly clear that Kun was by far more powerful when he was alive. The entire Jedi Academy Sourcebook goes at length to explain that Kun was in an incredibly weakened state and per the Dark Side Sourcebook if it weren't for the focusing points of the temples, he'd have no anchor to prevent being dissolved into the void, immediately after being Wall of Light trapped on Yavin IV[size=35]:[/size]

[size=32]Dark Side Sourcebook wrote:Exar Kun-who didn't technically die so much as merge with the dark side and retain his identity-resisted the dissolution of his spirit by drawing on the remarkable focusing energies of the Massassi temples on Yavin 4.[/size]

Freedon Nadd, Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun are all clearly depicted as needing to achieve a living state to regain the power they once had and not just through a host but gaining proper living form themselves, due to 'boundaries and limitations'[size=35]:[/size]

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Jedi Academy Sourcebook wrote:A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy. For a time, he is able to subside by feeding on their residual energy, but soon he will need worshippers if he is to grow more active. With a nucleus of followers to provide him energy-providing anger and fear, Kun will have enough power to escape his exile and take on human form. To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier,



Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force wrote:Exar Kun corrupted Luke’s most powerful student, Kyp Durron, and attempted to resurrect himself by draining power from Luke and the other trainees.

It is blatantly clear from the above sources that just like Freedon Nadd's spirit, Kun is searching to restore himself to a living form to regain his previous power and he would do this by restoring his lost reserves of energy from when he was alive. If his lost reserves of energy are required for him to regain power and living form, then obviously that means he was more powerful with that than without it. This could not possibly be made more clear than it is here.

Stop pushing this cancerous narrative that JA Kun > TOTJ Kun just because none of you want to have to scale Malak off of him and deal with the consequences of your own BS stance.

Oh and the scaling is much more like this:

Exar Kun >> Pre-destruction Ood Bnar >> post-destruction Ood Bnar >> Sedriss < DE Luke < JA Luke < Spirit Kun by himself.

I'll provide sources for this too. Exar Kun in his prime after raiding Ossus of it's most precious stores of knowledge, is far more powerful than any one other Jedi of his time; including Ood:


Jedi Academy Sourcebook wrote:She discovers the accounts of the Great Sith War, and learns that though Kun was far more powerful than any one other Jedi of the time, a combined force had defeated him.

Ood Bnar destroyed Executor Sedriss, who was incapable of freeing himself from Bnar's restraining of him:


The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia wrote:[size=32]Several thousand years later on the planet Ossus, Bnar reawakened to help save Jem Ysanna, a young woman with powers in the Force. He ultimately sacrificed himself to destroy the evil Imperial Military Executor Sedriss.[/size]

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[size=32]The Executor was destroyed by the power of an ancient Jedi, Ood Bnar.[/size]

The Ossus that Bnar draws on here isn't as powerful with living Force energy as it once was, as what power it had was used to mitigate the damage done by the supernova to prevent the entire planet from being completely destroyed and thus only its surface was seared:


The Unlikely Survival of Ossus Codex Entry wrote:[size=31]Ossus still bears the scars of the Cron Supernova: its surface is a seared wasteland of rock and sand. But even this degree of desolation is shockingly mild; that the planet was not rendered into a charred ball of molten rock, or even obliterated completely, is nothing short of miraculous.[/size]

[size=31]Little academic work has been put forward to explain this unlikely survival; only conjecture. The initial cause of the supernova was unnatural; perhaps this explains the unnatural results? Ossus was a stronghold of the Jedi; does the inherent life force of such a place make it more resistant to destruction?[/size]

Thus the power Ood could draw from Ossus against Kun is far greater than the power leftover by the time he destroys Sedriss. Furthermore, it is blatantly clear that Luke can't just stomp Sedriss as being able to TK someone doesn't mean you can stomp them. I.E. Yoda TKing Sidious. In the actual source material this is confirmed outright:


Handbook 3: Dark Empire wrote:Sedriss and Vill Goir met Luke Skywalker and recent Jedi recruit Kam Solusar on the plains of Ossus. Had it been merely a contest between dark side adepts and Jedi, Sedriss might have been victorious.

If Luke is >>> Sedriss in DE then the above literally couldn't be possible. I'm taking the side of the source material over your interpretation of the events in DE.

Oh and yes, Kun's spirit by itself had sufficient power to defeat JA Master Luke, but that doesn't at all even indicate a parity between Kun's spirit and Kun in his canonical prime as I've established above.


Jedi Academy Vol.3: Champions of the Force wrote:Afraid to challenge the dark power that had been sufficient to warp other students and defeat Master Skywalker.

Sit down and be a good kid.
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:53 am
Except Luke ragdolled Sedriss...
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:55 am
What part of Luke TKing Sedriss doesn't mean he stomps him did you not understand?
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:57 am
What part of Luke literally tossing Sedriss aside being a stomp do you not understand? You are literally the most condescending idiot I have ever interacted with.
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:45 am
Sedriss was ragdolled so hard that he decided to kill himself in a suicide blast. He isn't anywhere close to Luke at all.

Also, for all intent and purposes Vader > Sedriss and DE Luke >>> Vader
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:46 am
Welp, Yoda stomps Sheev. Nice to know.

Also nice to know that your opinion > the OOU original source that contradicts you. You've clearly transcended the source material. Teach me thy ways, O Idrisian the alpha and omega.
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on Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:48 am
Yoda TKing Sidious doesn't prove anything, as Sidious raised back to his feet and engaged Yoda. Sedriss didn't.
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