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on June 5th 2019, 8:12 am
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on June 5th 2019, 9:56 am
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on June 5th 2019, 10:52 am
I like how ISV is still voting for Vergere but hasn't given a single impressive feat for her.

Anyway, Zallow wins.
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on June 5th 2019, 11:58 am
Zallow slaughters her.
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on June 5th 2019, 5:45 pm
Zallow. Mostly because it's unclear how good a combatant Vergere is. She has great speed, great hacks and great knowledge. But we've never seen her carry herself in a direct fight. Nice fight, though.
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on June 9th 2019, 8:41 am
Ven Zallow beats Vergere

Next match:

Vestara Khai vs Viun Gaalan


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on June 9th 2019, 8:46 am
Gaalan stomps.
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on June 9th 2019, 8:50 am
@Gᴏᴀᴛ wrote:Gaalan stomps.
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on June 9th 2019, 8:51 am
Galaan. I’ll make an argument, but only if someone is interested.
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on June 9th 2019, 9:17 am
Gaalan wrecks.
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on June 9th 2019, 9:18 am
Is there any direct comparison of power between them? Just curious as someone who hasn't read FotJ.
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on June 9th 2019, 9:23 am
Kilius wrote:Is there any direct comparison of power between them? Just curious as someone who hasn't read FotJ.
I’ll respond you soon
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on June 9th 2019, 9:55 am
@mastercilghal wrote:Galaan. I’ll make an argument, but only if someone is interested.
I'm interrested. I think that prime Vestara can win...
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on June 9th 2019, 10:02 am
^^^

Pure memes.
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on June 9th 2019, 10:09 am
Galaan.

Also, don't say Xolthol's arguments are "pure memes". I'm sure they will put out a good case which will proove Vestara can win. While I'm siding with Galaan, for now, I'm certainly interrested to see what discussion this matchup provokes.
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on June 9th 2019, 10:46 am
@Kilius@Xolthol i’ll use scaling from abyss, allies and backlash 
First of all, Luke notes that Galaan would have beaten him had the fight taken place on sinkhole station, where he was extremely weakened from weeks of mind-walking:

Fate of the Jedi: Backlash wrote:Gaalan struck at Luke, high, low, a series of subtle and sophisticated blows that would have bewildered any lesser duelist. He was good; Luke gave him that. He might have been a match for an expert swordsmaster such as Kyp or Kyle Katarn. He would have been too much for a comparatively diffident duelist such as Cilghal, or even Luke as he had been back at Sinkhole Station, at low ebb in physical and mental strength.
But Luke, despite recent exertions, had had time to recover. He parried each of Gaalan's blows, and his ripostes-his blade skittering off Gaalan's and thrusting now at the Sith Lord's face, now at shoulder or knee or torso-came increasingly close to touching flesh.
Luke smiled at the man.
This kind of description points to Galaan being able to beat Luke solidly, especially considering that he adds Cilghal to the comparison, who is way below someone like Katarn or Kyp. 
As such Galaan>>sinkhole station Luke. Later he even menages to counter Luke’s power, who was trying to hold the ship. 

Now, Let’s examine Luke’s fight with Vestara and her master (lady Rhea) on sinkhole station: 

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Luke glimpsed a dark curve tumbling toward him as the two women divided and moved to flank him, and he understood. These Sith wielded the Force like a third limb, using it as naturally as their own hands. While he was focused on their lightsabers, one of them had slipped her black parang out of its sheath and attacked.
Luke stopped spinning and blocked the parang, his lightsaber slicing it in two. The two Sith women leapt in to finish him. He turned his blaster pistol on the girl, driving her back with a flurry of bolts aimed low-then-high-then-low, too fast for her to block. One bolt skimmed off her helmet, then another burned through her boot, leaving her hopping as she vented smoke and vapor.
Then the older woman was on him again, slashing first from one side, then the other with her scarlet blade, driving in close to pummel him from thigh to throat with knee, elbow, and helmet. Luke dropped his blaster pistol to wield his lightsaber with both hands, blocking left and parrying right, kicking at her knees and slamming at her throat with both forearms.
Through their vac suit armor, neither of them was taking much damage-but it would not be long before someone slipped, and when that happened, the end would come quickly. Luke continued to strike and counterstrike, his head starting to spin as his air scrubbers strained to keep pace with his exertions and the atmosphere bleeding from his gashed suit. The Sith woman fought like a shenbit, never letting up, never hesitating, never pausing. It was all Luke could do to stay between her and the wall, and he used the Force to keep her trapped in front of him, using her like a shield to keep the girl from slipping around to attack his flanks.
How long ago the exit panel had opened beside him, Luke had no idea. All he knew was that over his helmet speaker, he heard Ben warning him that the Jade Shadow was opening fire on Ship. As the lift filled with bright blue strobing, he glanced toward the wall to keep his faceplate's blast-tinting from being activated by the Shadow's big laser cannons. The Sith instinctively turned toward the light to see what was happening.
They realized their mistake the instant their faceplates darkened and leapt into a series of evasive tumbles. But even that tiny slip was too much in such a vicious combat, and Luke was in no condition to be merciful. He followed the older Sith out into the hangar, taking advantage of her momentary blindness to lop off pieces-first a leg, then a sword arm, and finally her helmet.
Expecting the ferocious girl to be on him the instant her faceplate cleared, Luke spun to meet her with a clearing sweep of his blade-and found her a full thirty meters away, floating above a dusty old Soro-Suub StarTripper that looked like it could have been the prototype for Lando's famous Lady Luck. Her partially darkened faceplate was turned toward the lift area, perhaps because she was searching for something she could use to continue her attack from a safe distance.
 

Before examining the fight itself, i’d like to note that Luke was at his absolute limits here:in fact not only did the mind walking leave him drained, but  he had also been fighting for some time and he was bleeding from previous injuries. 
Interestingly enough, he is still good enough to defeat Vestara just by using a blaster pistol, shooting too fast for her to block. That’s proof he can deal with her pretty easily. By contrast, Lady Rhea is the only one of the two that actually challenges Luke , yet he notes how he is sure that sooner or later she would make a mistake. And not just this, but Luke also menages to keep Rhea trapped with the force, indicating his clear superiority over her. Ultimately, Rhea is beaten through trickery, but it it pretty clear to me Luke is her superior even in that weakened state. 
Overall we have :Galaan>>Sinkhole station Luke>Lady rhea>>Vestara.
Of course Vestara went through a power growth, but nothing indicates she became massively more powerful , especially considering that her legends prime is like a year later.
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on June 9th 2019, 11:32 am
@mastercilghal: I will respoond to this after I respond to you in our SS.

@The Cosmic Force wrote:don't say Xolthol's arguments are "pure memes". I'm sure they will put out a good case which will proove Vestara can win.
Thanks you.
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on June 9th 2019, 11:41 am
@xolthol wrote:@mastercilghal: I will respoond to this after I respond to you in our SS.

@The Cosmic Force wrote:don't say Xolthol's arguments are "pure memes". I'm sure they will put out a good case which will proove Vestara can win.
Thanks you.

Yours welcome.
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on June 9th 2019, 11:43 am
@Xolthol very well
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on June 11th 2019, 9:05 am
@Xolthol

Do you still want to make a case for Vestara or should we move on to voting?
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on June 11th 2019, 9:57 am
@killius if you can wait until the end of the week yes.
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on June 11th 2019, 10:02 am
@xolthol wrote:@killius if you can wait until the end of the week yes.

No problem.
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on June 15th 2019, 6:50 am
@Kilius: I'm still pretty busy tbh. I'm not sure I can provide you anything before the end of the week. I will try but absolutely not sure.
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on June 15th 2019, 1:15 pm
@xolthol wrote:@Kilius: I'm still pretty busy tbh. I'm not sure I can provide you anything before the end of the week. I will try but absolutely not sure.

If you still intend to make a case we can hold on as long as you need.
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on June 15th 2019, 1:45 pm
Kilius wrote:
If you still intend to make a case we can hold on as long as you need.

I still want to make the case but I didn't know when I will have enough time to do it. I thank you for waiting.
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