Suspect Insight Forums

Go down
Blade_of_Dorin
Blade_of_Dorin

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 6:35 pm
Round 1: Sabers Only

Round 2: Force Only

Round 3: All-Out

Standard stuff
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 6:47 pm
Tenebrous in a good fight
DC77 (Reborn)
DC77 (Reborn)
Level Four
Level Four

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 6:53 pm
Starkiller's performances against Vader in both TFU Novels respectively indicate he should take Tenebrous without a huge degree of difficulty.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 7:09 pm
Kek
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 7:10 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:Tenebrous in a good fight

Reasons?

OP: Starkiller takes all rounds. He has:

-Better environmental feats (e.g. atomising of The Salvation, re-directing a falling ISD, etc).

-Better combative feats (his ragdolling of Vader, and pulverizing the army of Starkiller clones while exhausted are better than anything Tenebrous has).

The only way I can see Tenebrous being argued above him is via Banite scaling and holistic standing, but neither of those is enough imo.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 7:24 pm
I hold Tenebrous at Dooku level. Which is sufficient to take out SK
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 7:41 pm
@KingofBlades wrote:I hold Tenebrous at Dooku level. Which is sufficient to take out SK

1. Why is Tenebrous at Dooku level?

2. Why is Dooku level sufficient to take out SK? I'd certainly peg SK as on Dooku's level, and he's perhaps higher.
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 7:45 pm
1. Reverse banite scaling from Plagueis who is himself Yoda tier.

2. Being Dooku level in power means he's close enough in power for SK's power edge not to matter nearly as much as the large skill and mastery edge Tenebrous should have over SK.
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 7:59 pm
@KingofBlades

1. Reverse banite scaling from Plagueis who is himself Yoda tier.

1. Why does Tenebrous have any remote closeness with Prime Plagueis?

2. Why is Plagueis Yoda tier?

2. Being Dooku level in power means he's close enough in power for SK's power edge not to matter nearly as much as the large skill and mastery edge Tenebrous should have over SK.

Why is his potential skill and mastery edge more important than SK's power edge? You haven't really gone into any detail on this.
BreakofDawn (away)
BreakofDawn (away)
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 8:06 pm
Ragdolling vastly pre-prime Vader who was < Karness frigging Muur.*  Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  2960029119
KingofBlades
KingofBlades
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 8:10 pm
1. I don't have Tenebrous close to Plagueis just as I do not have Dooku close to Yoda. A good approximation for the power gap between Plagueis and Tenebrous would probably be the Anakin v Dooku fight on the IH when Anakin was letting loose prior to Dun Moch.

2.Since Plagueis is ~TPM Palpatine and I don't see a lot of evidence that Sheev grew to any meaningful degree between TPM and ROTS.

3. Due to my belief that power advantages don't matter all that much unless the gap is glaringly apparent. In such circumstances, I believe skill discrepancies decide the outcome of the battle.

Edit: I'm on my phone rn so forgive the briefness of my responses
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on November 16th 2019, 8:46 pm
@KingofBlades

1. I don't have Tenebrous close to Plagueis just as I do not have Dooku close to Yoda. A good approximation for the power gap between Plagueis and Tenebrous would probably be the Anakin v Dooku fight on the IH when Anakin was letting loose prior to Dun Moch.

Why is that a good approximation for the gap between Plagueis and Tenebrous? Once again you've gone into no detail on this point?

2.Since Plagueis is ~TPM Palpatine and I don't see a lot of evidence that Sheev grew to any meaningful degree between TPM and ROTS.

>Daily growth.
>Didn't grow meaningfully.

3. Due to my belief that power advantages don't matter all that much unless the gap is glaringly apparent. In such circumstances, I believe skill discrepancies decide the outcome of the battle.

Once again elaboration is required.

Edit: I'm on my phone rn so forgive the briefness of my responses

There is no forgiveness. Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  4037459623

@BreakofDawn

Ragdolling vastly pre-prime Vader who was < Karness frigging Muur.*

Erm, Muur's confrontation with Vader happened in 19BBY, Starkiller's ragdolling of him happened in 2BBY. Vader has 17 years of growth between the two encounters lmao, so no, he wasn't sub-Muur.
DC77 (Reborn)
DC77 (Reborn)
Level Four
Level Four

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 4:31 pm
Tenebrous without much issue.
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 4:47 pm
@DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Tenebrous without much issue.

Reasons?
DC77 (Reborn)
DC77 (Reborn)
Level Four
Level Four

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 4:49 pm
Holistic standing has Tenebrous closer to Sheev or Plagueis than Galen who's roughly on par with sub-TPM Maul Vader.
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 4:50 pm
@DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Holistic standing has Tenebrous closer to Sheev or Plagueis than Galen who's roughly on par with sub-TPM Maul Vader.

Why is Vader sub-TPM Maul, and why is Galen on par with Vader?
DC77 (Reborn)
DC77 (Reborn)
Level Four
Level Four

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 4:55 pm
Because Vader lost his brawl with Maul in ANH, and Galen stalemated Vader twice over in TFU 2.
HellfireUnit
HellfireUnit
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 4:59 pm
@DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Because Vader lost his brawl with Maul in ANH, and Galen stalemated Vader twice over in TFU 2.

n-canon and there were other stuff that mattered in that versus.
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 5:27 pm
@DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Because Vader lost his brawl with Maul in ANH, and Galen stalemated Vader twice over in TFU 2.

1. Per Chee, Maul duel is N-Canon.

2. Galen won his first fight with Vader. Plus, their duel happened while SK was exhausted, and Vader specifically tailored his fighting style to perfectly defend against SK.
lorenzo.r.2nd
lorenzo.r.2nd

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 5th 2019, 5:46 pm
good fight. i think galen might be more powerful (better feats of power, im sure yall can understand this), but tenebrous is certainly smarter, and overall better with the force. i think SK is more experienced (tenebrous may have been old, but sith by that time werent warriors anymore, and simply trained, while galen had 15 years of experience of fighting against vader, who faced almost all kinds of force users and fighters out there, and proxy, whom vader himself made and programmed i believe), and maybe a better duelist (vader is imo better than tenebrous by TFU, and by TFU 2 he is much better, and also perfected his style to beat SK, who still held his own)

it barely matters anymore that vader lost to SK and galen, he is confirmed to be stronger later on on ANH. and even if not, he grew since then by a good deal. whatever parity in power they had before, is gone by the time of ROTJ.
EmperorCaedus
EmperorCaedus
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 6th 2019, 9:41 pm
Tenebrous, fairly easily.
BreakofDawn (away)
BreakofDawn (away)
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 6th 2019, 9:56 pm
Tenebrous spanks him so hard he cries out for Juno to save him again.
IdrisianGraecus
IdrisianGraecus
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 6th 2019, 10:58 pm
Tenebrous scrapes
The Apprentice
The Apprentice
Level Two
Level Two

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 7th 2019, 10:02 am
Once again, I must request reasons.
IdrisianGraecus
IdrisianGraecus
Level One
Level One

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

on December 7th 2019, 10:07 am
Banite scaling. I have nothing against Galen, but Tenebrous found Ramage’s teachings simple. His raw mastery should be vastly beyond galens.
Sponsored content

Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller  Empty Re: Darth Tenebrous vs Starkiller

Back to top
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum